Former Lockheed Martin Engineer: “UFO Disclosure Could Ruin Religion” | EP 1

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TRAILER
For people who don't know who you are, or tell us why you're qualified to talk about UFOs.

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TRAILER
People think about these TikToks. They think it's just like a little ball of light or whatever. No, these things are like 40ft. That's like the wingspan of, like an F-22. And they're huge. It's like an RV. Some of these UFOs are going 40,000 miles an hour or faster. Our top aircraft go like 4600. They're going ten times and more faster than our fastest airplanes.

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TRAILER
Imagine you're going 12,000 miles an hour and you don't just, like, turn. If the human body did that, we would explode. Are you serious? Yeah. As you go up and you go from classified secret up secret, then it goes on from there and you get into special actions. What are those.

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TRAILER
By the way? What are the additional increments.

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TRAILER
On that? Well, there's a bunch that are even acknowledged.

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TRAILER
What are the ones that, you know.

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TRAILER
If you are going to disclose something like this, it has the potentiality to ruin religion. The world would go upside down.

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TRAILER
That wouldn't.

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TRAILER
Go well. You'd be surprised who's not human.

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Brady
Justin, for those who don't know your background with Lockheed Martin, with the Navy, you have your name on the belly of an F 35, which is one of the craziest things I've ever seen. So for people who don't know who you are.

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Brady
Tell us why you're qualified to talk about UFOs.

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Justin
So to start, I was in the Navy for four years. I worked on fighter jets. That is where I got my entrance into aerospace, essentially. So worked a little bit of F-14s, like from the original Top Gun, got into F-18, and then I got out of the Navy and I went to work right for Lockheed Martin, planning to come back here and go to college.

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Justin
But they picked me up. They had a position originally for F-16s, which I turned down because I was still in the

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Justin
but the first position I got was an avionics technician at the F-22 flight test facility in Edwards, Brady Edwards Edwards Edwards Air Force Base, California,

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Justin
which it's pretty cool to look up. We could talk about that base at length, and maybe we should sometime, because it's really unique spot that a lot of people overlook.

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Justin
It's just north of LA, about 45 minutes north of LA. There's a massive dry lake bed. So when you go to the base, you have to drive through basically a lake bed, which is nothing but, you know, flat, crusty, you know, muddy dirt basically for about half an hour. Then you reach a little fence and you show me your ID, then you drive another 15, 20 minutes before you see any resemblance of anything,

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Justin
and then you go to our compound.

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Justin
And we were essentially testing the the newest, the F-22 fighter jets, everything from stealth to weapons to the speed and the maneuverability of the plane,

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Justin
everything you could possibly imagine. We would take a brand new F-22 that came fresh from the classified development, which is, you know, up in undisclosed parts.

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Justin
we were the first kind of acknowledged, okay, the F-22 exists and it's over here in flight test.

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Justin
That's all people would really know, though. So while we were there, it was our goal. It was our job to take a brand new jet

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Justin
instrument, which means whatever this thing did in the air when we went and flew it, we could get the data from it and see how it performed. And we had to basically say, okay, what is what are the real limits of this plane?

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Justin
Because Lockheed Martin says, here's how fast they can go, here's how many they can bowl. Here's how you can shoot these kind of weapons in a

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Justin
envelope,

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Justin
And we go, no, that's not good enough. We need to push it and push it and push and expand the envelope. So I basically so I worked I did that for five years and it was some of the same hangars that before that did the SRX 71 testing the Blackbird.

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Justin
Yeah the Blackbird. So there was still an outline of the SR 71 and some of the old hangars. No way. Yeah. So like old I mean classic hangars will probably talk about like the S-4 video that just came out. I watched that, I'm like, that's same build time frame, probably like it just makes perfect sense. Big industrial military hangars.

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Justin
You close up, they you know, they're alarmed and.

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Brady
They have the mountain.

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Justin
Yeah. They have, you know, armed security and barbed wire and the whole nine yards on them. But I worked that you have 22 for five years. And then I went over and did it again for five years on the F-35. So ten years total. Holy crap.

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Brady
And those uninitiated, the F-22 is the premier. It is the best airplane on the planet.

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Justin
Officially it is.

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Brady
Yes. Yeah, everybody. It's the only plane that we won't sell to, even our allies. We'll sell kind of a modified version of the F-35 to our allies. The F-22 is the only one that only the United States keeps. That's right. We don't let anybody have the F-22 Raptor.

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Justin
That's right. And we don't know too much about it, you know, publicly because people, you know, now with the Iran war going on there, like, oh, all this going on, you know, the F-35s and the F-15s are getting kills and F-22 still hasn't gotten anything. It's like, well, how do you know? Yeah, like like that. Tell you why that is our like one of our most special assets.

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Justin
We're not going to we don't just publicly say what it does. It's stealth and can fly faster and farther and higher than other planes on purpose. So, you know, just broadcast everything that is done, you know?

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Brady
So what specifically? I mean, if you had to kind of pick like 2 or 3 main things, it's a fifth gen fighter. I know that there's a lot of development on six Gen fighters. I think it was called the Dark Star, the Black Star or something like that. But the fifth gen, what is it that makes the F-22 so vastly superior from anything?

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Brady
Russia can produce anything that China can try and back engineer. I mean, we've seen their knock of the B-2 spirit, and it's got these weird little, like, flanges on the wings and, you know, trying to probably have some version of the F-22, but nothing comes close to what it is that we have. And why is that?

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Justin
Yeah. Nobody can come close to, you know, the amount of funding that we put into our military for one, but then two, like, we're just the top dogs we have, we have the smartest people we have. You know, we've been at this for the longest time developing this stuff. So the F-22, when that came out, there was nothing even close.

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Justin
You know, it's a two engine, about 80,000 plus pounds of thrust. It was stealth, has internal weapons base,

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Justin
it's an integrated weapon. The whole thing is a flying supercomputer, which was way different even than what I worked before, like the 18, and had avionics and everything.

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Justin
the way the F-22 really just merges all of its sensors together, from its electronic warfare to the radar to, you know, other things that it can do and how the weapons all fuze together.

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Justin
And then the helmet, the pilot can even look through the airplane as he's flying, really like it's not there. And

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Justin
so if you're flying around and say you're just flying in F-22, F-35 can do this now

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Justin
You can be looking around and look down below you and you don't see the plane. You essentially are looking outside of the plane.

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Justin
So if there's a target over there, you can and it'll go get that thing while you're still going this

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Brady
So you can target with your eyes and say, I've got a lock visually through the floor of my F-22. That's a target. You paint it and you can shoot it.

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Justin
Yeah, because the joint helmet is called. It has the connection into everything to your weapons, your radar, all your sensors, everything. So essentially, it's a heads up display right here in front of your eyes. It's super sick. So essentially. Yeah. So when that thing came out, there was nothing like it. And and still like, you know, China, like you said, has been trying to knock us off.

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Justin
We used to have pictures of the the Chinese knockoff of the F-35 hanging in some of our facilities. And you look at it and you're like, oh, I can kind of see what they did there. But like, you know, the front end is way bigger, the engines way too big. Like, it's just weird. There's something off about it.

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Justin
So they do their best to try to copy what we have, but they can only really do it from the external. They don't really know how the internal works, which is really where the magic happens because the F-22 is, you know, its motto is first look, first shot, first kill, which means if we're flying around in F-22, as the other dudes are blowing up before they even know we're there, because we saw them first, got a shot off, and now they're it's too late by the time they realize what's happening.

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Justin
And that's all because of the internal avionics and the sensor fusion that goes on with that plane.

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Brady
On real.

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Justin
Yeah. I mean, it's just pure air supremacy, you know, when it comes to that. So, you know, there's a lot more that goes into it. You know how it integrates with all the other planes. Now the F-35 is 15. Our submarines, our satellites, our ships, our ground units, everything is all in in one essentially lethal net now. So when this net moves in, it's not just F-22 is doing what they do.

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Justin
They can share targets. They can get information from other. If you're flying and you're out of weapons for whatever reason, and you have a target, you can give me that target and I'll take it out for you. So like, there's just so much that we can do. You're drawing that from those avionics. Yeah. That it's a the other the other company or not.

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Justin
Other companies. The other countries haven't figured out how to get anywhere near what we can do.

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Brady
And it's this integrated mesh like you have the Awacs. So that kind of creates the radar point. And then you have the A-10s that can kind of do ground. And then you've got everything serves a different purpose, which we've noticed a parallel in the UFO conversation. There are different UFOs. There are different unidentified aerial phenomenon that have different shapes, different

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Brady
use cases.

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Brady
It seems like different utilities like the Tic-Tac versus the the jello mold I just watched. The bottles are S4 one for the second time through and prep for this because I was like, there's a jello mold UFO. I mean, it looks like a bundt cake, like the rivets on it. Weird as hell, dude. So I mean, what you're saying is the US is air superiority and our absolute dominance of the skies becomes not just from one

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Brady
unbelievably overpowered aircraft, but it's the entire mesh.

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Brady
It's the entire chessboard that we're deploying in the air at once.

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Brady
How did you see that play out when we

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Brady
preemptively attacked Iran?

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Brady
to use the best ones. And then once we were able to take out most of the Sam sites, we were able to deploy slower aircraft that could do different things, kind of walk us through what you've seen.

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Justin
Yeah, I mean, I think that's why a lot of people were maybe a little surprised that maybe in a good way that like, especially the first couple of weeks of this Iran conflict would like going so well

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Justin
because basically I ran had no defense. They couldn't see us, they couldn't reach us, and we were able to just go pick off target after target after target, and they couldn't do anything.

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Justin
So it took I forget exactly how long to say a couple of weeks to your point. Then we could start to fly in non stealth aircraft lower and weren't having any issues. Meaning the guys on the ground, even if they had surface to air weapons, they couldn't really do anything about it because we had done such an effective job taking out and reducing that threat.

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Justin
So I think that was one of the biggest things, because it wasn't just like, you know, Desert Storm we going in and it's just, you know, there's this AA fire going, anti-aircraft fire going all over the place and you're just hoping for the best, any bunch of planes and hitting as many targets as you can. And it's like a shoot everyone shooting type fest.

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Justin
This was basically

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Justin
I don't know what's going on if I'm an Iranian guy on the ground, but everything's fucking blowing up. Scalpel. Yeah. So that was some of that coming out, and it's pretty fascinating and pretty cool to see after developing that, you know, for ten years, it was cool to see it in action because it does work, obviously.

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Brady
So when the I mean, walking through this and this is going to lead into military doctrine and why it is that the US has classified aircraft that we still haven't pulled out, you know, and I imagine we'll get to that. But to understand military doctrine, we basically led with our strongest, best stuff too. So the first thing was the B-2 bomber.

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Brady
It seems like that has basically atmospheric capability, like it can drop from I don't know what part of the atmosphere, but it can drop bombs well, outside of any kind of Sam site or any kind of anti-air reach. And then the F-22 comes in as far as you can see it. What was basically the the play by play of what aircrafts were deployed, what did they do?

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Justin
I think even before aircraft, we were probably deploying a space countermeasures and taking out electrical grids and taking out radars and stuff by jamming them. So Awacs satellites, different things. So there's nothing except, you know, these frequencies coming through the air, which are starting to ruin your chances of seeing anything, anything in the air. Right? So you do that and then the next thing would be you would bring in your stealth fighter, so your stealth bombers and hit your most threatening targets that you know about, you know, right off the bat, get rid of that big threat, and then you just start to go down from there and just go down the list.

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Justin
But, you know, the goal is to basically eliminate the the enemy

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Justin
at the easiest possible way. And that, frankly, is electronic warfare.

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Justin
Wow. So you don't even need a bomb, you know, because if you can just go ahead and scramble everyone's electronics and make it so they can't communicate, they can't target, they can't see anything

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Justin
cool. Now you're basically back to the Stone age.

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Brady
Was there anything in this attack so far in Iran that you had not seen deploy into warfare before? And because we can compare it to the Venezuela attack. So they had the and it was clearly like a PSI operative, like it was an injected narrative. And I bet you most of it is true. Then there's something about it.

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Brady
It's not. But the discombobulated. So that got a lot of air time. Everyone's like oh my God. Like we deployed this thing and they blasted it. I don't know if they mounted it to a Black Hawk or whatever they did, but they deployed the discombobulated and they fired it on the Venezuelan armed guard, usually Muslim, were Cubans come to find out and they all describe it somehow.

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Brady
I don't know how we got this story back from these people. Like they just hopped on a podcast after getting their shit kicks, but whatever. They're like bleeding out of their ears, out of their mouth, out of their eyes. And the discombobulated makes it so that even the most hardened special forces operator can't function. And oh, my training.

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Brady
It's like, you can't do that if you're bleeding out of your eyes. If your guts are inside, you get to this. I think it's like a resonant frequency that causes the heart rate to spike all this crazy shit. And we'd never seen anything like that deployed in a theater of war. So that was the first time we led with that toy.

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Brady
So there has to be probably more discombobulating. But what else did you see deployed in this Iran and talked to we hadn't seen before?

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Justin
Yeah, I think the use of lasers to take down incoming missiles. Yeah. So, you know, Israel has some we have some. They have, you know, instead of shooting bullets essentially at incoming missiles using like just lasers to take these things out. So I think that's amazing because it's obviously faster. It's it's cheaper.

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Brady
Cheaper.

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Justin
It's easier, it's more accurate. And if you have power you have unlimited ammo essentially. So I think that was super cool. But man that discombobulating if you think about that. Like, why wouldn't you use that? Like we have it for crowd control. Yeah. You know, like you can you've seen don't know if you've seen the videos where they have, you know, hundreds of people protesting in another country and all of a sudden everybody just splits and they run to either side to the sidewalk and you don't see anything.

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Justin
It's because they injected something down. They, like you said, it just buzzes your senses, your brain, your ears, your teeth, everything so bad you have to get away from it. So if you think about electronic warfare, going and taking out all the radars and taking out anything that could target your planes, if you have something like that that you can come in, especially if it's I don't know if it's is.

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Brady
It a cone?

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Justin
I don't know if it's targeted like a sniper or if you can deploy it like it's a spray. But if you can do that, those guys were also saying that they got basically knocked down. They were bleeding out of their ears and everything. And then they from their perspective, when Delta Force came with the helicopters, the guys were saying like they couldn't miss.

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Justin
They were just killing everybody. And that is probably just like shooting fish in a barrel is probably what they experience, you know, because Delta Force are top special forces. So imagine if all your enemies are kind of on the ground, is discombobulated and bleeding, their weapons are down, and you just boop.

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Speaker 3
Boop, blink, blink blink, beep boop boop.

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Justin
You know, just take them all out. So we are really at the forefront of a whole entire new kind of warfare right now. We haven't even talked about drones or anything else. Yeah, but you know, as these, you know, energy weapons get more advanced. I mean, there's going to be less and less need for conventional weapons, you know, because if you can fire a laser from a satellite and, you know, like James Bond back in the day and just mow through your enemy, whatever, I mean, that's pretty effective.

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Justin
Zero chance anyone's your guys are going to get hurt from that. So we're really entering a new kind of Terminator phase now.

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Brady
Well, laser warfare is probably going to play a mission critical role. I think Israel calls it the Golden Dome. And I know that we're trying to, you know, set up the same thing. We had the Iron Dome. So funny. I found out that the reason we don't have an Iron Dome is there was all of these infighting across different defense contractors.

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Brady
They're like, we want ours. We want ours was just a stalemate. It's like, okay, well, great. So glad our shores.

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Justin
No one has won.

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Brady
No one has won. It's like Israel's been able to fend off, you know, incoming missiles, long range missiles from Lebanon, you know, from everyone that they've picked fights with from Iran primarily, and they've been able to fend it off for years with their Iron Dome. It's like kind of want that. But yeah. So talking about drones, because the UFO conversation dovetails into drones quite a bit.

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Brady
You know, some of these are man, some of them aren't. We don't know the the percentage of what is and what isn't. But you know, the US is obviously backed Ukraine over the last four years of this conflict. And we've been able to in real time. And it's kind of it's kind of sadistic if you look at it in one way, like, this is the perfect place for us to test because it's not our people, you know?

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Brady
And so we're literally just pen and paper studying, okay. If you deploy this type of FPV drone. Oh okay. Well they can deploy jammers. Well then fiber optics came out. So now all the drones have these microfiber fiber optics okay. Well that creates a new military doctrine where you've got to fly your drone with its fiber optics in a specific way so that the cable doesn't cut.

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Brady
Oh, well, then there's countermeasures. You can have these rolling barbed wire things deployed. So all the convention, it's so wild, like warfare is not getting fought the way that we did during in Iraq and Afghanistan. So the Great War on terror, like none of that, the like it's this is not the same war. No. And it's all really been changed by drones.

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Brady
It was I saw an estimate 70% of all casualties in the Ukraine conflict are all done by drones, 70%. And that's hundreds of thousands of dudes dead.

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Justin
Wow. Yeah. And it's very fascinating because when we think drone warfare, we think, who knows what we think? We think, you know, kind of lasers or whatever else is going on. Know some of the most conventional, you know, systems are what are taking these drones out like a Cobra helicopter.

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Speaker 3
Pop pop, pop.

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Justin
Pop, you know? So it's weird in a way. We're getting more advanced, but then it's kind of the oldest weapons that come in that are the most capable of taking them out. Because you can't jam on the gun with electronics. You know, that's just going to fire no matter what. So it's really interesting and who knows where this is going.

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Justin
But to your point, you know, Ukraine, up until very recently, probably not probably had the most experienced fighting with drones. Yeah. Because even like, you know, like we're backing them up and so we're learning a lot and whatnot. But but still they are the guys, the commanders and the guys on the ground that are actually fighting and using this, picking up these, this very knowledgeable skill set.

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Justin
And that's one thing that I had to say that I was like, hey, we're going to find a silver lining in this Iranian thing that's going on. It's that our military is now used to being in combat, not just ready, not just waiting to do something. No, we had a submarine that got to kill, you know, we have ships.

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Brady
And that's a controversial.

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Justin
Wasn't it, like this. Submarines and planes and everything that are actually in it. So that's good reps for us, you know, whether we want to be doing it or not. It is good reps for our military to be in that active environment in case of does, you know, escalate.

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Brady
Yeah. So and for people that haven't like I grew up in the military doesn't mean I was the one serving, but my dad was and so I had at least proximity to it. Whereas most people have zero proximity to it. They have no. It's a movie. That's all they know is like the movies. Totally. But we have basically been in one rolling war or conflict after another since World War two.

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Brady
And then when the Soviet Union collapsed officially in 1991, we were the superior. We were the ones. We said, this is our moment. We are the biggest, most powerful country in the world, the Soviet Union. We have no peer until we started feeding the dragon and then China out of nowhere, you know, over the next 20 years took all the economic outsourcing that we sent to them and turn themselves into the most prolific peer nation in the entire country.

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Brady
You know, their their overall GDP, their economy actually eclipse ours in terms of volume, I think, in 2018. But for people that don't understand, if your nation, if your fighters are not actively engaged in some conflict, all they're ever going to really be able to do is train. That's right. And so you don't really learn anything. You can run your wargames, you can run simulations, you can do tests, you can do trainings, you can do joint trainings with other nations.

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Brady
But there apparently is something that is just so irreplaceable about being able to say, we're in this conflict. Here's what we're learning in real time, or fighters are getting real experience. And that's what we're getting right now in Iran, right? Right.

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Justin
That's exactly right. And, you know, you mentioned UAP a couple of times. It's one thing that I'm fascinated by is, you know, seeing these fighter pilots that are out there on maybe on training missions that are seeing these things and capturing these things, that is good for us because these are the guys that are going to have to do something about it.

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Justin
If if we need the military to do something about a UAP, they are the ones they're seeing it with, with their own eyes. They're tracking it with our sensors. And so it's allowing us to see, okay, well, you know, with our technology, how how are these unexplained things showing up through our sensors? Is there anything we can do about it?

00:20:22:05 - 00:20:43:10
Justin
And and unfortunately, so far it looks like. Well, no not really. We can watch it, we can track it. But the way that it moves and the things that it can do, like we can't do anything about it, which is obviously a massive national security issue, because if our fighter pilots with our weapons flying off of our fighter carriers, which are aircraft carriers, which are like, that's like our thing.

00:20:43:12 - 00:20:44:09
Brady
We're the best.

00:20:44:11 - 00:21:02:19
Justin
Like, like we rule the sea. If we see something that we know we can't do anything about, all they are really doing is just hoping that it's just going to be something to observe, and it's not going to do anything to like, come the other way, because we can just tell that has more energy and more capability than we understand, and we're just watching it.

00:21:02:19 - 00:21:17:23
Justin
So I'm pretty fascinated by that whole angle, not just getting the reps on like fighting, but also now getting the reps in from the military's perspective on like what is going on in our skies. And yeah, and we'll talk about that. I don't know if anyone really knows, to be honest. I.

00:21:18:01 - 00:21:39:21
Brady
I mean, you have the testimony from Commander David Traver, you have Ryan Graves, you have a bunch of other people who said that at a certain point, all of their aircraft sensor apparatus has got upgraded and the radar got upgraded. So the way I don't, you know, I'm not a radar expert or anything, but however they were scanning or sweeping the area before trying to look for ping signatures, it was exponentially improved.

00:21:39:21 - 00:21:57:17
Brady
And the second they started equipping those two hour aircraft in the sky, they started seeing these things everywhere. And they're like, hold on. Does that mean they just popped up? Or is like, we're just able to see it better now. So my question for you is like on the standpoint of military doctrine, how does the US, how would the US if you had a guess?

00:21:57:20 - 00:22:16:10
Brady
I know you're not in those rooms right now. How would they determine this conflict over here? Now warrants that we pull out our our trap card like our first big things, because so far it's like we're just seeing the F-22, which is really exciting. We're seeing the F-35 really exciting. We've seen the A-10 warthog, you know, we've now seen the discombobulated.

00:22:16:10 - 00:22:38:08
Brady
But it's like, dude, if we are deploying those sorts of things and you're able to see it on CNN and Fox, whatever we have not pulled out is a 50 years ahead. That's the estimates conservatively is like 30 to 50 years and be why won't we pull it out. What would it cost. What would warrant pulling those things out other than just like a conflict with China or Russia?

00:22:38:10 - 00:23:01:18
Justin
It's a good question. And I think part of the reason why we are not going to get a real disclosure is because we cannot afford to have whatever technology that we are essentially hiding or developing be seen by our adversaries just just knowing what another country has, even if it's just like surface level information, you can start to connect the dots on what you're working on, or you can start to connect the dots on maybe countermeasures.

00:23:01:19 - 00:23:11:23
Justin
So I think the discombobulating that you mentioned is probably us. All right. Let's use something. Yeah. Let's try this out. You know, like they've probably been tested a ton of.

00:23:11:23 - 00:23:12:10
Brady
Sure. Yeah.

00:23:12:10 - 00:23:33:19
Justin
So but they're like, hey, we have to go do this thing in Venezuela, which we are not engaged with in a conflict currently. We know that there are threats there. We know it's multinational, like you mentioned, Cubans, for whatever reason, guarding Maduro, this weird shit going on. If we're going to be successful. How about we go in in a more advanced way and not in a conventional way, and just hopefully we can shoot everybody?

00:23:33:20 - 00:23:51:20
Justin
Yeah, I think that was probably us testing a little bit of that because they acknowledged it afterwards. This isn't like some conspiracy thing, but I think, you know, if we have far more advanced technologies. I don't know what it's going to take to pull that out, because one, we don't really know what the capabilities are and what you would do with it.

00:23:51:21 - 00:24:10:22
Justin
But then to I think the main point is that our military doesn't want to risk letting our adversaries know what we have, unless we absolutely need to use it, then you use it. But if you so you know, it's kind of like if you can still carry a weapon, right? Yes. You you keep it concealed until the moment you have to bring it out and you shoot.

00:24:10:23 - 00:24:28:20
Justin
You don't pull it out to try to stop and show a flash or be a tough guy or anything, because now other people see, oh, this guy's got a gun, and things can just escalate the wrong way. So you want to keep that secret in up until the last second and then use it if you need it. And I think that's what's going on with our with our more advanced stuff.

00:24:28:22 - 00:24:29:06
Speaker 3
Wow.

00:24:29:07 - 00:24:47:04
Brady
I mean, the Department of War literally put out a tweet showing one of their laser arrays and it was like, yeah, we have laser weapons. And literally up until that point, you sounded like a crazy person saying, no, like, we use lasers, you know? And then one day they just tweeted it.

00:24:47:06 - 00:25:01:15
Justin
You know, I think that is, you know, I think the UFO disclosure, I think the UAP, whatever you want to call it, I think that has been a drip that's been going on for a long time. And we can talk about that. But but I think that that is also what's going on with like Department of War and their technology.

00:25:01:19 - 00:25:10:20
Justin
You know, we went into fight Iran. So you can make the case that, hey, we're showing like a massive show of force. The whole world is watching us dominate this country, right?

00:25:10:21 - 00:25:12:01
Brady
China is taking notes, by the way.

00:25:12:03 - 00:25:26:00
Justin
China's taking notes. Everyone is taking notes. So I'm sure that that was a calculated thing. Yes. We're going to go ahead and admit that we have lasers just to kind of put a little cherry on the top. Hey, why you boys are watching? Yeah, we do have some. Cool. So you better fucking stay in your own seat. You know what I mean?

00:25:26:01 - 00:25:28:13
Justin
Like stay back. I think that's probably what that was.

00:25:28:13 - 00:25:47:07
Brady
So it's these soft, you know, expressions of force. Yeah. You know, and of course, China has a very deep relationship. So does Russia a very deep relationship with Iran. I mean, they're all neighbors. You know, they share economic outcomes. Iran is the breadbasket of the Middle East, you know, and so they have a very vested interest in that.

00:25:47:07 - 00:26:01:22
Brady
And then the oil I mean, it's so wild to to start looking at it now with like a month or two a distance, like maybe the Venezuela encouraged and said, yes, we had to get Maduro, sure. But we needed to be able to control all early on before we ever tackled the Iran problem.

00:26:01:23 - 00:26:18:23
Justin
Yeah, because if we went into Iran first, chances are Venezuela and Cuba and and they were really going to shore up their defenses. Right? So if we're like, hey, we know that we're going to need that for whatever reason long term strategically. Let's get it first. And to your point on the lasers, I think lasers was like an easy thing for them because we've had lasers forever.

00:26:19:00 - 00:26:20:16
Brady
Like we had showed that they've had them.

00:26:20:17 - 00:26:24:10
Justin
Yeah. And like, you know, if you ever heard of the airborne laser, the ABL.

00:26:24:12 - 00:26:28:06
Brady
Was that like a plane that like they built it out and then they ultimately didn't get like mass produced.

00:26:28:06 - 00:26:47:04
Justin
Yeah, I went I went in it at Edwards Air Force Base and it was essentially a flying I think it was a 747, if I'm not mistaken, but it was a massive airborne chemical laser. So it was they were testing it to basically take down ICBMs or to like do different things with dude. I used to hear I didn't get to see this part, but I used to hear stories from the old heads that worked there.

00:26:47:04 - 00:27:05:20
Justin
And now these are the guys. Like when I got there in zero six, right after the Navy, I was like 22, 23, right? The dudes that were there were the dudes that were developing SR 71 and like the things before that and Edwards Air Force Base, if you look at look at it on a map, is not far at all from area 51.

00:27:05:21 - 00:27:25:14
Justin
Like, these are all guys that were been in that world for decades. They used to tell me how they would go and test the airborne laser out in the desert around, you know, the high desert, and it would carve like a glass crater in the ground, like a big glass crater. And so, yeah, so like it was real and that was a chemical laser.

00:27:25:14 - 00:27:42:22
Justin
But that thing was so dangerous that I had hydrazine and all this shit in it, which if you if you know anything about hydrazine, if you smell it, you're dead. Oh, God. It's one of those things. It's incredibly potent. It shut your brain off immediately. So it had an unbelievably high level of security and safety and risk and everything.

00:27:42:22 - 00:28:01:11
Justin
So even though it worked and a lot of guys were pissed off that it got shut down, I think the reason that it got shut down is because during that development of a chemical laser, they figured out how to do it with electronic, with digital lasers or whatever you want to call it, where they didn't need hydrazine and all these chemicals flying around, just the most lethal thing in the world, you know?

00:28:01:12 - 00:28:09:17
Brady
Yeah, well, that plane takes one hit from a flat cannon. Some line gets cut. Now the pilot's dead, and we don't know the spread on that hydrazine. Like, what? Could it touch the surface? Like, what would I do?

00:28:09:17 - 00:28:18:13
Justin
Yeah, I had guys. It was a Boeing plane. I had buddies worked for Boeing on that thing. And they would just tell me like, yeah, we're, you know, doing this and that on it. And that is crazy.

00:28:18:15 - 00:28:39:23
Brady
I mean, imagine the proximity to something where it's like, this is so cutting edge, which you actually heard. This is Bob Lazard story. He came in as a replacement because apparently the scientist before him fucking died. Yeah. You know, they're like, I don't know if they carved into the emitter or, you know, the amplifier or something, but that was kind of the takeaway that he got from his mentor, Dennis and Barry.

00:28:39:23 - 00:28:57:22
Brady
You know, the thing that kind of subtly implied is that they tried some test and something fucking blew up and killed the guy, and that's why Bob got in. So it's like you're dealing with stuff that if it's from another planet, we are chimpanzees. Yes. Poking at a nuke, we have no idea. We basically go, I know how to turn it on.

00:28:57:22 - 00:29:23:06
Brady
I know how to make it glow. You don't understand as a chimpanzee that you're receiving large doses of radiation. Like we just don't know what we don't know, which is what makes this whole conversation so nebulous but also so captivating. The UFO conversation has dominated pop culture and captivated people's attentions for decades, because we just get these, like, little cryptic insights, and then it's mixed with a bunch of disinformation and bullshit.

00:29:23:07 - 00:29:41:16
Brady
Are they little green dudes? Are they flying around in saucers? It's like I have personally been convinced just because I've seen some weird shit in the sky, but it's also not obvious to me that that wasn't a human inside of it. So it's like, you know, and then if you out a lot of the people like in The Age of Disclosure, that documentary.

00:29:41:17 - 00:29:55:09
Brady
Yeah, every person that was interviewed, they were congresspeople, they were DoD, they worked on black sites. They were Air Force, they into scientists. They all had classified access. And the through line on all of them is

00:29:55:11 - 00:30:04:06
Brady
no one really knows what the hell the alien thing still is, which is probably the most disconcerting if I'm if I'm in my position, I kind of hope there is an adult in the room.

00:30:04:07 - 00:30:27:06
Brady
I hope that someone's got a good idea, right? As to really what, like, like keep your secret. Whatever. But I'd like to at least know this. Somebody has a bearing on what all this is there. The one silently going, okay, I can't let you know, but make sure you do this, test this out. It's like I, I worry that no one in our species really has a good grasp on this thing, on what it is the.

00:30:27:08 - 00:30:52:07
Brady
So let's start with some of the basics. According to all of the kind of accumulated conversation around it, there are at least several different species. Some of them are trans dimensional. Some of them are more humanoid, more corporeal. Bob Lazar refers to the ones that came with the sport model UFO as the kids. These small little guys, you know, androgynous, genderless, and but that's kind of the basis.

00:30:52:08 - 00:30:56:05
Brady
As we know, there are probably several different species. I mean, have you heard that before?

00:30:56:06 - 00:31:20:19
Justin
I have. I've heard there's a lot of species and I've heard and I, I've heard that there's a lot of different, like you said earlier, shapes in sizes and colors and light or Matt. And like, there's so many different things, which is probably one of the most confusing things about this. Like it's not just flying saucers. We're talking about little things that maybe move super fast, or we have massive things that move super fast.

00:31:20:19 - 00:31:32:06
Justin
Some of them are black, some of them are bright as the sun. Some of them look like a freaking like a jellyfish floating through the air. Some of them look like a bowl of a, you know, like a bun cake mold. Some like it's all over the place.

00:31:32:08 - 00:31:33:19
Brady
The tech, the white tic tac.

00:31:33:20 - 00:31:35:06
Justin
The white tic tac.

00:31:35:06 - 00:31:52:00
Justin
someone that I know very closely believes that they saw one when they were up at area 51, saw a they're about 40ft like the Tic TAC. So those things sometimes these people think about these Tic Tacs. They think it's just like a little ball of light or whatever. No, these things are like 40 fucking feet.

00:31:52:01 - 00:31:56:03
Justin
They're huge. That's like the wingspan of like an F-22. And they're huge.

00:31:56:03 - 00:31:57:01
Brady
It's like an RV.

00:31:57:01 - 00:32:02:20
Justin
And I have a I took a screenshot of the six observables. Did you remember this from the Age of Disclosure?

00:32:03:02 - 00:32:03:22
Brady
Maybe.

00:32:03:23 - 00:32:20:14
Justin
So. Can I cover these real quick, please? So when people think, you know, if they're listening to this or they're just getting into UFOs, they're like, man, what are these talking? What are they talking about? Talking about aliens or green? No, these are some of the things that we are seeing. There's there's six observables, things that we have observed that we are trying to figure out what we're seeing.

00:32:20:15 - 00:32:46:06
Justin
Okay. So the first one is hypersonic velocity, meaning that some of these UPS UFOs are going 40,000 miles an hour or faster, whereas our top aircraft go like 4600, top like top like 4000. These, they're going ten times and more faster than our fastest airplanes, which doesn't make any sense. Like we we don't understand that. We can't do that.

00:32:46:06 - 00:33:07:04
Justin
That's not just a better engine. Like there's something different completely different happening there. They had number two is they have instantaneous acceleration. So sudden extreme changes in speed and direction such as like a right angle turn. Imagine you're going. 12,000 miles an hour and you don't just like turn. It's 12,000, 12,000, 12,000 like all and then stop and all over.

00:33:07:05 - 00:33:09:23
Justin
Like if the human body did that, we would explode.

00:33:09:23 - 00:33:10:11
Speaker 3
Because the.

00:33:10:11 - 00:33:29:21
Justin
GS we can't handle those GS, like we just can't do that. So then some people go, well, maybe it's a drone and there's no humans in it. Well, we still don't have anything. They can go that fast and they can stop on a dime and turn on a right angle. So that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The other one is low or low observability, meaning they don't have any contrails.

00:33:29:21 - 00:33:47:05
Justin
They don't make sonic booms. There's no exhaust. They can essentially go through number four trans mediums, which means they're flying through the air. They go into the water and there's no splash. They don't slow down. So imagine going 500 miles an hour in the air, and you go into the water and you're still going 500 miles an hour in air.

00:33:47:06 - 00:33:48:10
Brady
Despite the friction in Greece.

00:33:48:11 - 00:33:48:20
Speaker 3
It takes.

00:33:48:21 - 00:34:04:01
Justin
A significantly more energy to push through water than it does through the air. Obviously, anyone can do this with your hand and go underwater, right? So that doesn't make any sense. Anti-Gravity. They can basically hover without visible propulsion, without wings, without control surfaces.

00:34:04:02 - 00:34:04:23
Brady
No heat signature.

00:34:04:23 - 00:34:21:12
Justin
And yeah, he's signature. And then also now a lot of the a lot of guys that are either recovering them or testing them or being around them or reporting burns, inflammation, scarring, autoimmune issues, all sorts of issues that come from like high energy fields. And these are all like undisputed just things that we are trying to figure out.

00:34:21:12 - 00:34:38:16
Justin
So if anyone listening is like, yeah, where did that come from? Like these are the facts that we are going off of trying to build the puzzle from. So these are not like just, you know, these are not hypotheticals. This is what we have observed. That's why they're called observables. So I'm fascinated by it because, you know, back to developing these fighter jets.

00:34:38:17 - 00:35:00:14
Justin
And it's like, all right, well we have nothing even close to any of those things right there. So what is going on? You know, are we are we dealing with like Bob lasers is like reversed, you know, engineered crafts. I think that's I think it's some of that I could talk about Bob Lazar if you want, but I love it.

00:35:00:16 - 00:35:22:01
Brady
You know, a lot of our breakthrough on laser tech, they say, probably stems from that, from fiber optics that stems from some breakthrough and reverse engineering over the last 50 years. Because if you follow the timeline, allegedly the first craft was the Roswell incident. Yeah, right. And then just from there, you know, imagine where these guys we just kicked ass in World War Two claimed all the glory, despite the Russians doing quite a lot of the bloody work.

00:35:22:01 - 00:35:42:12
Brady
But we're like, nah, we did it. And so now we're going to start. What's our next thing? Oh, we heard about this UFO. We're scooping that up. We're going to reverse engineer this. It's like we've been doing this. So many of our technological advances kind of coalesce, like on a timeline with when allegedly these reverse engineered product projects and in retrieval projects, they kind of like perfectly parallel with all of our technological advancements.

00:35:42:13 - 00:35:43:02
Speaker 3
Sure.

00:35:43:03 - 00:35:45:22
Justin
Which is interesting. So you know which one inspired which.

00:35:45:23 - 00:35:46:15
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:35:46:21 - 00:35:55:12
Justin
If anything. Or is it coincidence, you know, were we advancing at a certain speed? And for whatever reason, these things started to become more involved?

00:35:55:14 - 00:36:16:22
Justin
Were these things becoming more visible. And we are learning more about them. And that helped our technological advancement like I don't know. But you're exactly right because they do seem to have a fascination with our nuclear capabilities. You know if you watch Age of Disclosure, there's a lot of examples in there about craft. One of them's a triangle that shows up and it's just sitting over a missile silo.

00:36:16:22 - 00:36:21:13
Justin
Another one is a huge ball of light like the sun. Another one is a huge like football field.

00:36:21:14 - 00:36:21:19
Brady
Ball.

00:36:21:19 - 00:36:40:19
Justin
Field size just sitting there. And there's dozens and dozens of people that all saw the same thing, but they're just like sitting over our nuclear sites. And sometimes they they deactivate a nuclear weapon. They activate not meaning they don't send it off, but they turn the system on, melt the warhead. Yeah. Like there's. Yeah. Like they'll fly around and chew light at it.

00:36:40:19 - 00:37:08:07
Justin
So it's like, what's the fascination with that? And one of my working theories on that is if we're dealing with some sort of interdimensional thing and maybe, you know, because there's only so many dimensions that we can even conceive. Yeah. Try to understand. Maybe there is something with a nuclear weapon to where when it goes off, maybe it tears into another dimension in a way that we can't see, and it's affecting something in another dimension.

00:37:08:08 - 00:37:12:14
Brady
It's fucking things up for them. They're like, yeah, you can't exactly.

00:37:12:14 - 00:37:31:03
Justin
Like, so maybe they have a vested interest to make, you know, to don't do anymore. We even tested a nuclear weapon in forever. Why is that? Why do we stop all of a sudden? I don't know, I don't know if it's tied to that or not, but, you know, that's one interesting thing. Like, we don't understand, really, what even happens, you know, when we're when we're testing some of these things.

00:37:31:03 - 00:37:46:13
Justin
So if they're showing up and having an extra interest in nukes, to me that says, okay, let's look into that more. Why is that? Are they trying to help us? Are they trying to save us, or are they trying to stop us from blowing them up? Like, what is the deal? I don't know.

00:37:46:15 - 00:38:08:21
Brady
The nuclear conversations, one I'm particularly fascinated by, because if you look around this room right now, you go outside, you look at anything. There's not a single thing in 2026 that is the same as it was in the 1940s, obviously. Right. Except for nuclear. We still talk about warheads and nukes, and that was our trump card in World War Two.

00:38:08:22 - 00:38:29:12
Brady
We deployed those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But somehow, 90 years later, we're still saying that this is our best trump card. We're still saying, oh, the nukes, the nukes, the nukes. We got to watch out for North Korea. They've got nukes. Somehow India got nukes. Somehow Pakistan got nukes. And that's the but that's technology from the 1940s. So I hadn't considered that.

00:38:29:12 - 00:38:50:13
Brady
The reason that we're, you know, not testing or anything else is because it could potentially be upsetting our extraterrestrial, you know, neighbors. I hadn't once thought about that. My thought was really around. Well, the reason we're still talking about it, maybe not testing it, but we still talk about it, is because the actual trump card has obviously gotten a thousand times better.

00:38:50:13 - 00:39:11:09
Brady
So but to kind of satiate the audiences, the masses, and you still talk about the thing that they know, you put it in all the movies, because that's the thing that they know. You keep them off the scent and go know guys. Like the scariest thing, the biggest boogeyman on the world stage. And all this conflict is a nuclear holocaust, when in reality, whoever's running the show would be like, dude, we can frickin sneeze on those things and turn them off in two seconds.

00:39:11:09 - 00:39:31:01
Brady
Which seems plausible, especially if there are UFOs that can come into our atmosphere and switch these damn things off. Well, that is a gigantic liability, right? You're like, no, hold on, I needed I needed that because I'm in this conflict. But if your best trump card can just be switched off by some damn thing that pops in out, or you're like, well, I can't use that anymore.

00:39:31:02 - 00:39:49:05
Justin
And you know, this is happening across the planet. This is not just a United States and a Russia type thing. Like everywhere across the planet, all of the governments and their militaries are experiencing similar things. So that means to tell me like this is this is bigger, you know, this is not a China coming over to us. This is not another human type thing.

00:39:49:07 - 00:40:11:15
Justin
And this is not just a it's bigger. I think this whole thing is bigger. I feel like maybe this whole thing is somehow tied to like, human consciousness and like these other, other dimensions, maybe that we don't understand. And so it just leads the question like, well, what are we dealing with? Who are we dealing with? What are we dealing with?

00:40:11:17 - 00:40:27:01
Justin
You know, because I do believe that, you know, Lockheed is always in others, Raytheon a Boeing and whatnot. They are always way farther ahead with advancements than than anybody knows. Like the the F-22, I think first flew in like the late 80s, I think.

00:40:27:02 - 00:40:27:17
Brady
Are you serious?

00:40:27:18 - 00:40:54:23
Justin
Yeah. Like 90, late 80s, something like that. Early 90s is insane. How like, you know, the the the development ranges where they're flying, I think, like, that's an old thing. So what we're developing now and I have I know people that are developing like the new, new new stuff and obviously won't tell me anything because they're all professionals, but they're like, bro, the stuff that we have now because we worked on F-22 together, the stuff that we have now is like just insane.

00:40:55:01 - 00:41:00:07
Brady
Like what? I mean, if you had to kind of like orbit the neighborhood of what that even means without revealing anything.

00:41:00:08 - 00:41:28:01
Justin
I would guess it is probably because we're, you know, if we're talking about fighters, right? Fighters and drones are becoming more sleek, right? They're becoming more sleek. There's stealth, there's less moving components to them. I'm willing to bet that it is probably much further along advanced with our avionics, which means our weapons and whatnot, but probably also propulsion and stealth and beyond that, man, like, I don't know, I do believe that we're way beyond nuclear weapons.

00:41:28:02 - 00:41:46:02
Justin
So whatever that replacement is, have we maybe scaled that down and be able to put that on smaller platforms like fighters or bombers or drone hand to hand or drones or like, but like, what is it? Are we just talking bigger blast or are we talking about I don't know, what are we talking about? It's hard to even conceptualize.

00:41:46:02 - 00:41:55:20
Justin
Are we talking about the discombobulating? They can cover 1000mi² from space, maybe. Oh, God. I mean, if you can just incapacitate incapacitate everybody in a country.

00:41:56:01 - 00:41:57:02
Brady
An entire army.

00:41:57:04 - 00:42:07:07
Justin
Even without killing anyone, that's pretty effective, you know? So that's why I think Space Force. Space force is probably like our most classified shit right now, because who knows?

00:42:07:08 - 00:42:24:09
Brady
There's this quote from Ben Rich, who was the second director of Lockheed Skunkworks. And, you know, obviously everything there. But for people that don't know Lockheed Martin. So there's all these weapons, defense contractors, there's Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, these are the guys that develop all of the weapons. You know, that the US has used is kind of our main playbook.

00:42:24:09 - 00:42:30:19
Brady
And Lockheed Martin has a secret division which everybody knows about. But it's like the classified development, right? I mean, it's just.

00:42:30:19 - 00:42:34:12
Justin
The most ADP their advanced development projects skunkworks, skunkworks.

00:42:34:13 - 00:42:54:19
Brady
And so it's like this is people say skunkworks like, oh my God, that's kinda cool. So he has this quote in 1993, he said this at the UCLA School of Engineering. He said, we already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.

00:42:54:19 - 00:43:19:19
Brady
And then the second part, he says, is anything you can imagine we already know how to do. And he said this at an alumni speech in 1993. So to your point, it's like if we were developing the F-22 in the 80s, it's like they've been able to probably tear up in wormholes, probably have reverse engineered craft, which is something I actually on the Russian conversation, Bob Lazar talked about how they were collaborating when he was there.

00:43:19:20 - 00:43:25:18
Brady
They were collaborating with the Russians. Right. Which if you look at the timelines, fucking crazy. That's the Cold.

00:43:25:18 - 00:43:26:10
Justin
War.

00:43:26:12 - 00:43:43:13
Brady
My dad was I found out a couple of years ago. My dad was a CIA contractor, so he was hired muscle to kind of go around and cover guys as they were moving, doing whatever they were doing. Sure. And so he's a Cold War veteran. It's a big part of his story. There was no bigger boogeyman than the Russians.

00:43:43:15 - 00:44:08:03
Brady
They were. And the kids in the 80s, they would do these, hide under the desk drills as if it was going to stop a nuke. And so the whole 80s were just captured in this, this fear of what the Russians were going to do. And by the way, they felt the same way about the Americans. But all that to say, why the fuck then, were we letting Russian scientists into our most classified protected zones where we're reverse engineering alien craft?

00:44:08:04 - 00:44:33:09
Brady
Right? Why would we collaborate with the Russians then? So Bob theorizes that they had some piece of the puzzle that we didn't have that we needed. Right. So what was that? Because it's clearly significant enough that on the public side, we're literally saying the Russians are the enemy, the Soviets, we got to get rid of communism. It's, you know, this Leninism, but in secret, we're actually opening up our most private kimono and letting them in and get in there and butter it up.

00:44:33:12 - 00:44:45:04
Brady
So I was like, okay, well, why would that be? And I've thought of a few things. One, Russia is a gigantic landmass, so maybe they have more craft. Maybe they've been working on this problem for 100 years.

00:44:45:05 - 00:44:48:18
Justin
I think they've had a since before the 40s. Really?

00:44:48:20 - 00:44:50:00
Brady
Wow.

00:44:50:02 - 00:45:21:18
Justin
Yeah. I've read some reports where like old like in the 30s and 20s, they've had reports of this. And you know, they also mentioned in there they had, I forget what year it was me, but it was a long time ago, I think it might have been in the 30s or 40s. They had basically a treaty between us and Russia that said, hey, we are going that there are these extra weird things going on out there and we are just committing to each other that we will we will do our best to not start a nuclear war with each other.

00:45:21:19 - 00:45:41:03
Justin
And because we mistaken one of these things for the other. Now, why would you go through? You wouldn't you wouldn't go through the process of creating this secret doctrine in this kind of treaty with your enemy that says such a specific crazy thing? If it wasn't, you wouldn't just do that for fun? No, because it didn't release that for many, many decades.

00:45:41:03 - 00:45:58:17
Justin
That wasn't like it. Let's just put this out there to give some, you know, some people something to think about. This is something that we did to keep ourselves from blowing them up and vice versa. So these have been a massive threat for, for the world for, for a very long time. Holy shit. It's a it's really weird.

00:45:58:18 - 00:46:04:23
Justin
The whole thing is really weird because, I mean, I'm not even sure what angle you want to go down right now.

00:46:05:01 - 00:46:14:17
Brady
Well, I mean, let's talk about China being the third pillar in that, you know, they are masters of engineering and patent theft. You know, shout out to them.

00:46:14:17 - 00:46:14:22
Justin
Oh, yeah.

00:46:14:23 - 00:46:32:10
Brady
For sure. But I mean, you can't you can't talk about China and not respect the game. And so they clearly have something as well. I don't know if the advancement like you talk about the UFO how do you advance the ball. It's like is it done by having the most access to the most crash crafts, whether they were crashed or donated.

00:46:32:10 - 00:46:52:14
Brady
A lot of people theorize, oh, this was kind of like going to a non-contact tribe and giving him an iPad and seeing if they could figure it out. So maybe this was a gift so that we could advance and hopefully become a type one civilization. Right? That's a theory. Seems a little optimistic. Yeah. You know, it was kind of anthropomorphizing it like why would they operate and think that way is how do you think you know.

00:46:52:15 - 00:47:12:20
Brady
And by the way, maybe how we think, but it's certainly not how we act. Right. So it's like, okay, so the Russian and the Chinese advancement, is it because they have a lot more craft? Is there a cultural layer to them? Like the Russian language is very poetic. It's very sad and very poetic. Everything that you say in Russian has, if you're really speaking like pure Russian, it's supposed to feel almost like poetry.

00:47:12:20 - 00:47:29:17
Brady
It's the way that it speaks. And I know a couple of different languages, American Sign Language being my primary second language. And you can kind of it has a lot of similarities to the Russian language, which is you can kind of say any word in any order that you want, so long as you do it right, which that's not going to help, really.

00:47:29:17 - 00:47:38:21
Brady
Anybody better grasp it. But take that as a principle. Sure. In Russian you can kind of take a ten sentence word and you can rearrange it any kind of which way. And as long as you do it the right way.

00:47:38:21 - 00:47:39:04
Justin
It still.

00:47:39:04 - 00:48:05:14
Brady
Makes sense. It still makes sense. And so it's like maybe they had a linguistic flexibility to where they could develop a conversational middle ground with people, emissaries. Maybe they were commenting, visiting, maybe they had some cultural connection or they just had more aircraft. I don't know what it is, but and it's an anecdote from Bob Lazar. But if it's true, we literally were collaborating with the Russians at the height of our biggest conflict with them on the UFO thing, until we pushed them out because we had a breakthrough.

00:48:05:15 - 00:48:07:14
Brady
Right? You know, we're like, no, no, we don't need you anymore.

00:48:07:15 - 00:48:31:01
Justin
And why would we all keep it so secret? Which is also fascinating, too, because if the technology exists, you know, some people say like, oh, needs to come out so we can solve energy, because if you can solve energy now, no one's going to starve, no one's going to freeze, no one's going to melt in the summertime. Like you can basically solve this human crisis of people dying from stupid reasons like starvation if you have unlimited energy.

00:48:31:01 - 00:48:48:04
Justin
And that's what we could do if we had zero point energy. However, the other side of it is, well, zero point energy might also make it to where every human on earth could have a new type thing. So it's like, okay, well, I could see that maybe why it doesn't want to come out, maybe, you know, but like, what is the big reason.

00:48:48:10 - 00:48:59:12
Justin
unfortunately, I tend to think that, you know, the truth is probably terrifying. And even if, like you and I are maybe not terrified, but maybe we're excited by it, you know, we'd like

00:48:59:17 - 00:49:13:08
Justin
think you have to look through the lens of, like, if you're the government, any government, it doesn't matter if you're Trump, Obama or whoever, if you are going to disclose something like this that has the potentiality to ruin religion.

00:49:13:13 - 00:49:33:03
Justin
Not that it would, but it could at least could be perceived like that by people and maybe to have that effect. Yeah. I mean, because if people if if they release something that basically invalidates, let's say, the Bible, for whatever reason, they're not saying it would, but what would that do? The world would go upside down. Or even if you come out and you say, hey, yes, okay.

00:49:33:03 - 00:49:53:04
Justin
We admit that there have been thousands of sightings. We can't explain. All the stuff you guys see in the videos are real the jellyfish, the triangles, the football fields, the tick tax, like all that stuff is real. And we don't know what it is. That's still. Oh, shit. Like what? Like, you know what I mean? Like, so they're kind of in a position because, like, what are they supposed to say?

00:49:53:06 - 00:50:12:21
Justin
So, you know, is it something that would be a simple answer like, is this just for whatever reason, we have got our hands on technology that could fix the world but also destroy the world. So we have to keep it down to is this something maybe that would probably terrify just about everybody, more of a dimensional type thing?

00:50:12:22 - 00:50:34:15
Justin
Is there an alien demon type thing to it? And this is I don't think this is all like an all for one answer. I feel like there's so much going on that, like Doctor Greer says, some of it is human advancement. Some of it is reverse engineered from crafts than humans are now using. Some of it has nothing to do with humans and is completely, you know, a different species of some sort.

00:50:34:16 - 00:50:57:07
Justin
Some of it. Look, we don't know. Some of it is just energy and like, what is that? Well, every religious text since the beginning of time has talked about different forms of energy showing up. Angels? Yes. Demons. You know, things happening. There's just, like, amazing that we have to attribute to God or a miracle or something. It's like, well, that's a constant throughout history that there's always been crazy shit like that going on.

00:50:57:08 - 00:50:57:19
Brady
Across all.

00:50:57:19 - 00:51:17:00
Justin
Cultures too. So now that we're seeing it, like, are we seeing the same thing, you know, would somebody be able to describe, you know, what we are seeing now, flying in the sky the same way that we would if they lived, you know, 5000 years or 500 or 1000 years ago. You know, we're back in the New Testament or the Old Testament.

00:51:17:05 - 00:51:37:18
Justin
They might be describing the same things, but they just didn't have a telescope. They weren't in a fighter jet where it flew right by. They couldn't say, oh, it was a, a black square inside of a, you know, a clear sphere. They just saw something zig over the place, so they saw a tick tock come down and they thought it was a star, you know, or like, who knows?

00:51:37:20 - 00:52:01:09
Justin
It's very weird, whatever it is. And so I think that's probably why we have not got disclosure and whatever disclosure is coming, I'm already, unfortunately, on the camp. That is bullshit. They're just going to give us whatever the perfect narrative is that they've decided and crafted over the last however many decades. You say this, this has the least economic ramifications, the least damage to religion, the least amount of chaos.

00:52:01:09 - 00:52:15:18
Justin
That's what we're going to tell everybody. But, you know, if we can't even just get an answer about, like, the Epstein files, do you think we're going to get anything about something that maybe includes other dimensions or an actual alien? There's no way they're going to tell us anything. No.

00:52:15:20 - 00:52:31:13
Brady
And you're a father. Yeah, right. So you've raised three kids, and you understand, as a parent, I don't tell my kids everything for a few reasons. You're like, well, you know, for one, some things they got to learn. Don't put your hand on the stove. It's an anecdote. But there's other things like I don't want to terrify them.

00:52:31:14 - 00:52:45:16
Brady
Yeah. Oh the reality of some of these things. And so you as a parent have this kind of like governing position, you have stewardship over your kids. And so you're going to kind of make this decision, I'm doing this because I think this is what's best for them. Play that out. Take it all the way up to the upper limit.

00:52:45:17 - 00:53:09:02
Brady
And if you're a government and then there's a reasonable world where people, you know, the topmost like the Five Eyes or the biggest, most powerful, you know, super nations, there must be some entity that sits on top of them that governs on whether it's like the biggest, oldest families, the Rothschilds, whatever the. Yeah, I mean, it's a tangled mess and no one really knows, but there's some sort of layer that at the top has decided we're not ready for it.

00:53:09:04 - 00:53:26:18
Brady
And when we say we're not ready for it, it's kind of this broad brush you have to paint across all people. Because, look, you and I have done a lot of shadow work. We've done a lot of intense reflection. You and I are both successful entrepreneurs, and we got to this place because we've taken radical ownership of our shit.

00:53:26:20 - 00:53:48:21
Brady
We've gotten really good at discipline. We've gotten really good at finding a product market fit on working with people and being ecological, good humans who resonate with other people. That's who we are. Yeah, and there's a bias to say, you know, your proximity bias. You go, well, maybe everyone's like this until you go to like Walmart. As you see people walking around in pajama pants, you know, Munchen talkies and you're like, oh, man.

00:53:48:22 - 00:54:14:14
Brady
Like not all humans are kind of created equal, at least from a cognitive standpoint. From an IQ standpoint, everyone has the propensity, the potential to become more sophisticated, more intellectual. It starts with reading a book and opening your mind. But I would say large swaths on the margins. Most people don't have the internal wherewithal to reset their position and orientation in the world, which would inevitably happen if at the top level, they went.

00:54:14:14 - 00:54:30:21
Brady
By the way, there's aliens, correct? People wouldn't be able to hang because they're like, they wouldn't know what to do. There would be meltdowns. There was I think he was on Danny Jones or somebody, a guy who said his job was literally to model out the economic ramifications of disclosure. I think it was in the first Trump administration.

00:54:30:22 - 00:54:39:00
Brady
And he was like the conclusion was in almost every single scenario, it would be cataclysmic. Which is crazy because you and I are sitting here going, that would rule. Tell me, bring.

00:54:39:00 - 00:54:40:12
Justin
It on the information, please.

00:54:40:12 - 00:54:54:18
Brady
But it's like, well, no, like the average person, like, really, you and I are in the 1% of the 1%. Maybe not. We're not billionaires or whatever, but at least in the way that we approach life and we can hang, but most people can't. And so it's like everyone else is fucking this up for us.

00:54:54:19 - 00:55:09:12
Justin
I mean, that is what's happening because, you know, unfortunately, like, there is that elite class and then there's everybody else. And as much as they tend to screw over everybody else in various ways, if you are making decisions that are going to affect your country and the planet, you do have to look at it through that lens.

00:55:09:12 - 00:55:16:14
Justin
and if you probably rightfully so, believe that a majority of the people are kind of idiots, you know, kind of NPC's.

00:55:16:18 - 00:55:31:17
Justin
Yeah, you really got to look through that lens because they're not just going to say, oh, cool, we're going to release this, and we're giving it to all the Bradys and Justin's in the world that want this information, and the Eric Weinsteins and the and all these people that would, like, be able to figure out and do something with it.

00:55:31:19 - 00:55:50:22
Justin
Most people don't think like that. Most people are going to stick to whatever narrative, whatever fear monger, whoever they follow, whether it's in media or religion or politics, almost any, almost anything that they do in terms of disclosure, it probably leads to meltdown, which which is why I don't think we're going to get really hardly anything.

00:55:50:22 - 00:55:57:12
Justin
It's on whistleblowers like David Gray and and people like, who knows, he might be completely fucking fake too.

00:55:57:13 - 00:56:00:07
Brady
I was wondering that too, with his whole thing was so weird.

00:56:00:08 - 00:56:07:01
Justin
It's so weird. Like the way he's like, so, like, nonchalant about it. And it's it's really weird. But I do.

00:56:07:01 - 00:56:08:14
Brady
Believe the same way about Greer, by the way.

00:56:08:15 - 00:56:27:23
Justin
Yeah. You know, yeah, I know, I like him. I've listened to dozens of his podcast, but sometimes I'm just like, man, if if I was the government and I wanted to start to disclose this kind of stuff, it's not just going to be, hey, everybody, have fun. Read this. You know, here's 10,000 pages of shit for you to freak out about.

00:56:28:00 - 00:56:45:18
Justin
You know, the way you would do it is you would probably do it over decades and you would start to have Hollywood, you know, do do their thing. You do. You would have people like Doctor Greer go out there and they would start to say things, and he might be totally real, but maybe he's given a pass, you know, to go ahead and do

00:56:45:20 - 00:57:02:04
Justin
Same with Bob Lazar. You know, in the beginning they really, I think, kind of intimidated him, kind of went after him. That seems to have basically gone away. They just came out with this movie S4 that takes you through the craft in detail, what it looks like, what it feels like, like everything about

00:57:02:09 - 00:57:04:12
Justin
And he's not in trouble.

00:57:04:14 - 00:57:06:22
Brady
Down to the coordinates of where the hell it's fucking store.

00:57:06:23 - 00:57:29:09
Justin
I know it's crazy. So, you know, if they really are trying to do some sort of disclosure, what I'm going to guess is they've decided that whatever comes out, whether it's maybe they back up with S4, maybe, and they prove it maybe. But if they do, I think it's safe to say that is the essentially the the story that they want us to focus on instead of the actual core.

00:57:29:09 - 00:57:48:04
Justin
Truth is, you know, so if they show us, hey, yeah, these crafts are real, if they fucking fly one around DC, that's what everyone's going to talk about forever, basically. And then they won't ever have to get into. Oh yeah. But it actually came from here and it's Donald Trump from a million years from now. And you know, who knows?

00:57:48:05 - 00:58:06:06
Justin
I think I think the reality might be so twisted that there's no chance their ever going to actually say what it is. So we need more whistleblowers to just keep doing their thing. But I mean, we're entering an age now that people have dreamed about for forever. You know, people have always dreamed like, oh, when are we going to know that they're real?

00:58:06:11 - 00:58:12:08
Justin
You know, like we have all these movies that, like, now it's undeniable. There's an there's a craft right there. It just blew up the white House.

00:58:12:09 - 00:58:13:02
Brady
You know, CNN.

00:58:13:03 - 00:58:13:07
Justin
Yeah.

00:58:13:12 - 00:58:14:04
Brady
That's it. Somehow.

00:58:14:05 - 00:58:41:00
Justin
Like now we know. But like, I don't, I don't know. It's it's one of those things where like we're entering. I'm so lucky. I think we're lucky to be alive because I, I feel like like you just said, we're positioned mentally in, in a way to wear whatever they say. I think we're going to be able to digest it and help our families, our, our friends, and just be part of whatever the solution needs to be to, like, kind of keep things under control.

00:58:41:05 - 00:58:53:12
Justin
I would hate to, like, have the rest of my life go by and then have this closure be just like for my daughters and one another. They couldn't handle it because they're smarter than me. But but still, it's like, I feel like maybe that's kind of our time. This is like our thing.

00:58:53:14 - 00:58:58:01
Brady
It's easy to be nihilistic right now, but I think that's so retarded. It's so exciting to be alive right now.

00:58:58:02 - 00:58:58:23
Justin
It's so cool.

00:58:59:00 - 00:59:21:03
Brady
Never mind Claude and AI and Asi and all that. It's like, dude, like there's just so much sophistication that can hit the wire. There's so many different places to pull from. You can learn advanced quantum mathematics from YouTube video now. Like you can bitch and moan, but this is entirely on you. Yeah, you can also, in the exact same access, the same 24 hours.

00:59:21:03 - 00:59:43:06
Brady
You and I have find a million reasons to be excited about life, to pursue 100 new careers, to fill your mind with the most exciting, mind boggling things that you can. Just not. And just kind of be like in the mud, navel gazing, nihilistic. I think it's ridiculous because life is such a freaking exciting adventure. If you choose to look in the places where it's exciting and adventurous.

00:59:43:06 - 01:00:09:14
Brady
And one of the things that really blew my mind from they talk about it in the age of Disclosure, and this has reshaped quite a bit for me, is they're talking about the craft, they're talking about the UFOs and how they all have different properties. Some of them they described are about maybe 16ft tall, 40ft wide. Then you go inside of the craft and it's the size of a stadium contained inside of the aircraft.

01:00:09:15 - 01:00:25:03
Brady
Like, have you seen Harry Potter? Yeah. So like Harry Potter, Goblet of Fire. They're all out there at the Quidditch World Cup, and they've got this fun tent that they pop up and you're like, oh, it's kind of a shitty little tent, right? And then you walk in and then magically, it's the size of like a palace and it's all, everything's great.

01:00:25:03 - 01:00:45:12
Brady
And they got a kitchen and all this stuff all contained magically inside of this tent. Well, the the the flying saucers that they're describing do that. Yeah. They literally have an entirely different set of proportions inside of it. And they try and describe how that happens. But I'm like, if this is real, how cool is life, dude? How exciting.

01:00:45:14 - 01:01:01:18
Justin
Yeah, yeah. You know, do you know Eric Weinstein? I love him, I do, I do too. I was just listening to a podcast with him the other day, I think, on American Alchemy, and he had some really good points about how he doesn't know any top physicists that are in that program. And he would know them because he knows who graduates and who you know who's who.

01:01:01:19 - 01:01:36:16
Justin
The real smart people are in this world. So he's very skeptical of it. But so I don't know if maybe he is saying that to kind of throw people off. And he does know or, you know, I don't know. But I think the point that I'm making here is that we're dealing with stuff that we don't understand. And I would not discount anything, you know, because they talked about how these, you know, how is this saucer potentially moving or the Tic-Tac even, you know, you know, they talk about how if you can figure out how to manipulate one millisecond of time, you can essentially start to affect gravity, and you can start to potentially propel

01:01:36:16 - 01:01:55:18
Justin
yourself in a way by manipulating time. So it doesn't necessarily mean maybe it does, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we're talking about Marty McFly. Like you have a time machine, you put in a date and go there. But it could mean that, no, I can manipulate just enough in front of me to where I can move with, with effort, with, with no, with no resistance, essentially.

01:01:55:18 - 01:02:07:22
Justin
Because, you know, those seats that are inside that sport model in S4, you know, there's no controls, there's no seat belts, there's no nothing. It's just it's all one form. It looks like it was basically molded.

01:02:07:23 - 01:02:08:17
Brady
3D printed.

01:02:08:17 - 01:02:27:01
Justin
And and it's like, hold on, if this thing is flying at these speeds and turning like that, like how you'd be thrown out of your seat. Well, no, maybe not, because you're not experiencing what's going on on the outside. You're just sitting there perfectly still, and you're manipulating the space right around it to move. So there's no force inside or outside.

01:02:27:01 - 01:02:52:07
Justin
It's just it's doing shit we don't understand. So I don't know. I hope they get guys like Weinstein on it and maybe they have guys like him on it, but we're dealing with stuff that I don't. One thing that Weinstein does that I don't really like to hear, and maybe this is just me, is he discounts all of it because he says that there's no real physicists on it that could, you know, start to theorize what's happening or figure out what's happening.

01:02:52:07 - 01:02:56:20
Justin
But maybe it's at a level that, like, that's not even possible.

01:02:56:22 - 01:03:10:07
Brady
I mean, my other thought too, is like, the Russians will pick children based on genetic markers and then like their family lineage, and they won't go to school. They won't go through any kind of conventional education. They are groomed from the time their children to be Olympians.

01:03:10:08 - 01:03:11:00
Justin
Yeah.

01:03:11:00 - 01:03:29:19
Brady
And the Chinese do the exact same thing. You're being you're going to be gymnasts, and they're going to pick people from the best crops and say, you know what? You've got this special life. If you look at what is that like John Wick spinoff ballerina, it's like it's a bunch of like, spies that are like from children kidnaped from orphanages and raised to be these, like, assassins and deployed all over the world.

01:03:29:21 - 01:03:50:07
Brady
The fiction of that aside, it's not. There's a non-zero chance that the US has some sort of program where they are picking people at a young age and cultivating them, and then they become the top scientist. So either, you know, to your point about Weinstein, either he is saying this deliberately is misinformation, which I don't know. I've listened to him on clubhouse.

01:03:50:07 - 01:04:16:18
Brady
I think the world of him, I think he's really honest. But again, it's also can be practiced. But him saying, oh, I know all the top physicists, none of them are working on this project or this problem. So therefore I don't think we're really that advanced. It's like, but that's a pretty myopic view. Yeah. And so it's like the more likely outcome is that those scientists have had their existence completely stripped off the record, because it is existential for the country to be more scientifically advanced than every other nation combined.

01:04:16:21 - 01:04:20:20
Brady
In a big part of that is because we pick fights with everybody.

01:04:20:21 - 01:04:21:17
Justin
Yeah.

01:04:21:19 - 01:04:36:08
Brady
When the Soviet Union collapsed, there was a memo that went to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and it basically said, now that we are the supreme superpower in the world, here are the next seven countries who are going to go and attack. And they're like, hold on, what do you mean? We just we just one we just won the Cold War.

01:04:36:09 - 01:04:51:05
Brady
We're the supreme nation. Why would we do that? And it's like, because you as the most superior nation every now and again, need to go up to a little guy, grab them by the lapel, pin them up against the wall and take his lunch money because you need to remind everyone else that you're the bad dog in the yard.

01:04:51:11 - 01:05:21:16
Brady
And so if we've been doing that and like we're here where the entertainment capital of the world, we're a giant entertainment stadium in the whole world, both loves us and hates us. People are divorced from that reality because most Americans don't leave the country. Yeah, I've traveled all over the world. I was born in Germany. I'm certainly not the most multicultural, but I have a perspective, which is I took my wife to Italy and a guy that served us some Aperol Spritz, tried picking a fight with me because I was American, because in his mind, I had done something wrong to him in Syria.

01:05:21:17 - 01:05:42:05
Brady
Sure, it's like we are not really loved. We are both loved and hated. And so if we have this impetus to shore up all of our scientific advancements, we've got to be because we're picking fights with everybody. We've got to have our best shit. Constantly worked on 24 over seven. Totally. So therefore the scientific problem, Eric Weinstein saying, oh, you know, I don't know this physicist, therefore we're not doing it.

01:05:42:05 - 01:05:44:12
Brady
I'm like, maybe you're not invited into the room.

01:05:44:13 - 01:06:00:21
Justin
Totally. And this has been going on for so long. You know, one of the things they said in the age of disclosure, Marco Rubio said this, which makes all the sense in the world. It's, you know, how would you know, Lockheed, for example, be able to hide a program like this from the government? Well, let's say it was established in 1950.

01:06:00:22 - 01:06:18:03
Justin
Okay. You have whoever's in office and you have senators and you have people that are in charge of the Air Force and CIA and all this and that, and presidents and all that, all that. Maybe they knew then. Right? But eventually those people get voted out or they retire or they die or whatever, but they're replaced and maybe they don't necessarily get the full brief.

01:06:18:07 - 01:06:35:12
Justin
And then that happens again and again and again and again. Because now we're talking decades, you know, many decades. The company if it is Lockheed that had that program, they're not going to just go ahead and like, oh hey, new guy that got voted in. That's going to be out of here in four years. Let's go ahead and brief.

01:06:35:12 - 01:06:37:01
Justin
And they're like, dude, fuck these people.

01:06:37:07 - 01:06:40:01
Brady
Owned by all these special interests and lobbyists. Like, why would I tell you shit.

01:06:40:02 - 01:07:08:08
Justin
And so it just keeps getting buried and buried and buried and buried. And I think this is also why, you know, like, we can lose $1 trillion from the Pentagon and basically. Oh, yeah, whatever. Oh, no, 911 just happened. You know, like we've been missing trillions of dollars like that doesn't just evaporate, that doesn't go anywhere. So there's a ton of people that know about this, but I think it's turned into essentially like this, this class that knows presidents come and go, senators come and go, CA heads come and go.

01:07:08:08 - 01:07:29:19
Justin
And somebody obviously keeps the lights on somehow. But I think they're basically just operating kind of on their own. And they might not even need to kind of threaten the government or anyone like that because they just truly don't know about it. And that's, I think, why Bob Lazar, if people don't know, like what his deal is, I used to think Bob Lazard like and I hear that I'm like, that's a weird name.

01:07:29:19 - 01:07:49:20
Justin
That's just a weird guy. I was just stupid, you know? I didn't really look into him or anything, but, you know, his whole deal is he worked on reverse engineering one of these crafts, I think, for about six months and about 5 or 6 months in, he decided that, yo, this is way more advanced than anybody realizes. This should not be kept secret, was his opinion.

01:07:49:20 - 01:08:09:17
Justin
So he became a whistleblower while he was there, which is pretty unique for him if you believe him. Very ballsy. And and I think that's why we know even just a little bit about it, because he didn't play along and keep this thing buried like everyone else has. And then people go like, oh, how would the government ever keep its secrets?

01:08:09:17 - 01:08:27:21
Justin
I think Obama said this the other day. He goes, he goes, come on. One of the things the government cannot do is keep secrets. And I'm like, I'm like, that's funny. And that gets everyone to get kind of thrown off their game. And I'm like, dude, what are you talking about? Like, I had a top secret clearance and I knew basically nothing compared to like, what is out there.

01:08:27:21 - 01:08:53:12
Justin
And I was I knew I couldn't even get a fucking DUI. I couldn't be late on a mortgage, I couldn't do anything, or my security clearance was potentially at risk. I knew guys they had lost their security clearance for getting DUIs because they couldn't be trusted, because they now they're under stress. And if you know, if the adversary finds out about that, they could, you know, if you have a financial issue, you could be a target, you know, type deal.

01:08:53:12 - 01:09:11:05
Justin
I knew another guy that was an engineer that I worked with at F-35 as an Indian guy. He went back home to India for, I think, a religious holiday or something, but didn't put in. I think it was a 30 day request on time. And so they denied him going, but he went anyway and they fucking pulled his clearance and fired him.

01:09:11:05 - 01:09:27:16
Justin
So so they were very serious about how these clearances work. And I was on a handful of special access programs related to, you know, the fighter jets and whatnot. So, you know, as you go up and you go from, you know, secret, ego, classified secret, top secret, and then it goes on from there and you get into special actions.

01:09:27:17 - 01:09:30:01
Brady
What are those, by the way? What are the additional increments on that?

01:09:30:02 - 01:09:46:00
Justin
Well, there's a bunch that are even unacknowledged. Like I think like Yankee White I think is one of them. Like there's just some that just keep on going and going and going and then it gets into kind of need to know. So like you might have like if Yankee White if that's the right one, like if you have that level that's like it's a high level.

01:09:46:00 - 01:10:02:18
Justin
But it doesn't mean you just get to know everything at that level. Right? Like if your job is like, say you're like a Secret Service guy, you might know everything that's going on about the grounds of the white House to keep the president safe that nobody else knows about. Even people that work at the white House. But that doesn't mean they're going to tell you shit about a fighter jet.

01:10:02:23 - 01:10:19:15
Justin
You know, it's all very compartmentalized. So, you know, there's so many different levels to this thing that, you know, you get up to a certain level and it does say in there, like you could rescue, you know, your job, but like some of it is threatened by by punishment, by death, you know, like, like desertion and treason and stuff.

01:10:19:15 - 01:10:43:05
Justin
So, you know, you get up to a level where, you know, if you're working on these craft and you have an extremely high security clearance, that means they know everything about you. They know your kindergarten teacher, they know your kids, they know everything about you. And if you disclose something, you're potentially going to prison forever. With no trial, with no court, no chance to defend yourself or you're dead.

01:10:43:09 - 01:10:57:12
Justin
That's the kind of level that we get at. So when Obama says, like, oh no, we can't keep a secret, it's like, seriously, you got a guy that has a family and you're going to tell him that he's going to, you're going to squirrel him away and not even go on to be like, he's just going to display.

01:10:57:14 - 01:11:02:05
Justin
Right? Like, of course people will keep secrets, you know? So anyways.

01:11:02:09 - 01:11:19:20
Brady
There was this point that they kept saying in the age of disclosure, by the way. Yeah, they had this same phrase that they all used, like the the guys who were like, you could tell they were so uncomfortable being on camera, but they clearly evaluated doing it like that. You could tell that they had seen some shit and they all there was like four dudes that use this phrase.

01:11:19:20 - 01:11:41:08
Brady
And it was like, if you talk about this, your life is forfeit. And it was this very specific phrase which you can tell that at some point in the briefings or the onboarding, you know, the swearing ends, the the process of getting them the clearance. They probably really drilled that home. It's like you're not just going to compromise the national security of our country.

01:11:41:08 - 01:11:58:12
Brady
If you go and do this. And they just were probably fresh off the heels of Lazar taking this shit public, assuming that wasn't so, they're going if you disclose any of this, your life is forfeit. Yeah. There are layers of security. The heart attack gun was something that like, had a congressional hearing in the 60s and they're like, what do you mean?

01:11:58:13 - 01:12:15:10
Brady
CIA developed a gun that could shoot a dart that melts the second it hits the target, trigger a cardiac arrest, giving this person a heart attack, and then that person just dies. And no, and there's no trace. There's no trail. And Congress was like, wait, CIA developed that, and they're like, yeah, yeah, we did in the 1960s. So you work at this.

01:12:15:11 - 01:12:30:00
Brady
You work at the front most mechanisms of the most incredible defense apparatus of the most powerful, terrifying country in the history of the world. And you're going to go and blow that for us. It's like, absolutely not. You're going to keep your fucking mouth shut.

01:12:30:01 - 01:12:45:05
Justin
That's why I think Bob is Bob Lazar is getting somewhat of a pass to do this. Maybe this is their attempt to get the narrative out there, to let people digest it. And now a couple months or a couple of years later, they'll start to acknowledge some of that maybe is real. So we'll see if that comes out.

01:12:45:05 - 01:13:03:13
Justin
But, you know, one of the things about what Bob talks about and the technology about how this craft supposedly works and how it's built and all this kind of stuff, they go through such detail showing the different components, how they're connected. You turn this thing, this thing is affected over here, even though there's no wires, it's not touching, there's no nothing.

01:13:03:13 - 01:13:17:04
Justin
It's so out there and so weird that it makes me say, okay, well, maybe that's real because there's none of the human element in there. Like, oh, how are we going to have them? How are we going to pretend that these aliens fly this thing? We're going to have a.

01:13:17:08 - 01:13:18:07
Brady
Little chairs.

01:13:18:09 - 01:13:41:01
Justin
You know, we're going to have a stick. We're going to there's nothing like that. It is so different and like, so simple that it's like, oh, well, they somebody did a really good job imagining this because there's no human element to it whatsoever. Like it's completely bizarre, Bob. Bizarre. Bizarre. You know, and to me that starts to say, okay, well, maybe there's some truth to this.

01:13:41:02 - 01:14:03:17
Justin
it is such a good job with that movie for showing these hangers and showing the facilities, it is spot on. The same fucking thing as the F-22 that we worked on the flight test hangars, the seven. It's the same thing from the same era. It's just hidden differently, has slanted doors buried in the desert instead of, you know, in Edwards Air Force Base, hidden like in the middle of nowhere.

01:14:03:19 - 01:14:23:14
Justin
There's so many different things that he says. And I'm like, okay, like I've worked with a lot of guys just like that. It's just smart, dude. You know, he's not a dumb ass. Like, you know, Eric Weinstein was trying to say that he's probably like janitorial staff or something, or he was handing out badges. And I'm like, I don't know, because he's he's a smart guy.

01:14:23:14 - 01:14:33:13
Justin
He's, you know, he's a propulsion engineer. You can see what he's built with his cars and his engines and whatnot. So I tend to believe that he might be telling the truth.

01:14:33:15 - 01:14:38:19
Justin
don't know if it's about everything, obviously, but. But maybe he's being allowed to do it.

01:14:38:20 - 01:14:56:06
Brady
Yeah, yeah, because otherwise you just heart attack gun the guy if he was a legitimate liability. You know, the weird stuff like the hand scanner that he talked about for decades before there was ever, you know, any kind of document that came out like, oh, that thing is real. But it came out 20 years later when the internet took off.

01:14:56:06 - 01:15:10:07
Brady
And it was the weirdest thing. Like, it's a, it's a device that they were using. Because part of the issue is, how do you prove that this person is exactly who they say they are? Yeah, because people are going to constantly try and get into a secure facility. How do you can't just do an I.D. badge in a fingerprint scanner?

01:15:10:07 - 01:15:30:13
Brady
All that can be spoofed. So they're like, well, you can. Everyone's bone lengths in their hand are very unique to each individual. You can't replicate that. So if you had a face on the Tom cruise mission possible face mask, well, the fingers are going to be different lengths. So they had a scanner and he would put his hand on it and everybody there did, and it would scan the individual lengths of the hand bone and confirm, yes, that's Bob laser.

01:15:30:14 - 01:15:45:22
Brady
Yes, that's Justin Cross. And he said that in the 80s, dude. And then 20 years later it comes out, people are like, what the hell is he talking about? Some hand scanner. And then the company that made that machine happened to just like put out regular standard documentation. Oh my God, that's what he was talking about 20 years ago.

01:15:45:23 - 01:16:00:05
Brady
So you see shit like that and you're like, okay, I have to give it some grain of truth. He was on the Los Alamos registry as an employee, even though they scrubbed it. Stuff like, that's really funny. Also, like if you look at it in a vacuum of time. Yeah, because you can delete anybody instantly, like I could.

01:16:00:05 - 01:16:19:04
Brady
Technically, I could get disappeared tomorrow. The powers that be could scrub my existence away. Killing off people. I would be gone forever. But you can't because it was all digital. My footprint is, like, entirely digital, but they were like printed materials. And so when they tried denying that Bob Lazar ever worked at Los Alamos or Gag, they were like, oh, we found this old printed book.

01:16:19:04 - 01:16:36:04
Brady
He was in the phone book. He was in the registry he went to, not Harvard, MIT. And so they found all of these things that even though at the top level there was a public facing saying, this guy Denver went there, he's not legit, he's a clown. And then they found printed material, which is such an artifact of a different time.

01:16:36:05 - 01:16:39:10
Brady
Yeah, because you can get away with that now in these digital.

01:16:39:11 - 01:16:56:12
Justin
You know, I saw that, that hand scanner thing. So what if it's two prong though? What if it is an ultimate kind of biometric and they know your hand is different than mine. So that's a way in. What if it's this is out there. But why not? What if what if it's also to put it on there to verify who you are, but that you're also a human?

01:16:56:14 - 01:16:57:15
Brady
Oh, God.

01:16:57:21 - 01:17:10:13
Justin
Because what if they. What if they put it up there and there's no bones and there's just or there's just long and it's not for different bones that you have. Maybe it's one thing. Maybe it's a way to say, like, urn.

01:17:10:15 - 01:17:11:07
Brady
Not human.

01:17:11:08 - 01:17:20:20
Justin
It got out. It's a fake human. It's a bob. It's a fake Lazar. You know, because we are dealing, supposedly. I mean, they say that they have, you know, other beings, they have.

01:17:20:20 - 01:17:21:13
Brady
The shapeshifters.

01:17:21:14 - 01:17:33:10
Justin
They have potentially shapeshifters and whatnot. So what if that was two prong? What if it was biometric for human access and but it was also not a human and the door doesn't open and all the guards show up.

01:17:33:13 - 01:17:34:23
Brady
The swing out of the wall.

01:17:35:00 - 01:17:36:01
Justin
Yeah, exactly.

01:17:36:03 - 01:17:36:19
Brady
Stun him.

01:17:36:20 - 01:17:52:23
Justin
I mean, we are talking about aliens in case anyone hasn't really picked up on it. Like we're talking about the potentiality of having some of this shit come true and be true, and we don't know what that looks like. Are there shapeshifters? Sure. I don't know, maybe. Maybe not. You know.

01:17:53:01 - 01:17:53:11
Brady
Like.

01:17:53:13 - 01:18:02:04
Justin
What do these things look like? You know, like what? We have no idea. So when I see stuff like that, I'm like, well, I don't know, maybe that's maybe there's more to it.

01:18:02:05 - 01:18:08:00
Brady
If I was in our cosmic neighborhood and I had the means to get here, you better believe I'd become in visiting.

01:18:08:00 - 01:18:08:14
Justin
Oh, gosh.

01:18:08:14 - 01:18:16:02
Brady
Yeah. Our planet's fascinating. You know, maybe that's navel gazing, but I take him entry of anything near us. I don't see a lot of other parties happening.

01:18:16:03 - 01:18:29:01
Justin
Did someone the other day, it might have been Rep Boebert or somebody, or maybe it was Bowsher. Tim. You know, from Alabama. I think it is one of them. I think it was said you'd be surprised who's not human. And I was like.

01:18:29:03 - 01:18:29:23
Brady
Are you serious?

01:18:30:00 - 01:18:54:16
Justin
Yeah. And I was like, I was like, is that where we're going? Like cool. But people are singing some wild. So that's why I that was my initial reaction when I saw that on this for like, maybe that's not just a human chick or a biologic check, you know, trying to say biometric check. Maybe that's a human check, because then they talk about human crossbreeding and hybrid programs and whatnot.

01:18:54:17 - 01:19:10:10
Justin
Like, and somebody mentioned that the other day and I'm like, I'm really fascinated by it. I'm glad we're talking about it today because, you know, this, you should just be like, you know, comic book, you know, like and back to the future. All he had to do was put on his, you know, his his radiation suit and play some Van Halen.

01:19:10:10 - 01:19:26:21
Justin
And he thought he was an alien, you know what I mean? But like, when I were like, well, no, like, there's a lot of, like, really smart people saying that, you know, there we have bodies. Okay. What does that mean? Where do they come from? Do they stay in one shape? Do they can they do more? Like, what are we talking about?

01:19:26:22 - 01:19:48:20
Justin
Did they live in the ocean? Are they from space or they from a billion light years away? Are they from right there? But it's another dimension that we can't access or see. Like we're getting into some weird shit. But back to what you said in the beginning. One of the most fascinating things for me is the seemingly the sheer variety of shit that we're seeing out there.

01:19:48:22 - 01:20:11:00
Justin
That's what's so fascinating to me. If this is Saucers and Gray Men and then maybe orbs and, you know, green men, we're dealing. But it seems like we're dealing with so many different things. And I'm just like, what is happening? Is it this is where maybe, I think maybe it's another dimensional type thing. Because if you look at Earth, how many species of things do we have on Earth?

01:20:11:01 - 01:20:13:09
Justin
Freaking millions. We don't even know. Yeah. Countless.

01:20:13:10 - 01:20:14:12
Brady
Yeah. And more in the ocean.

01:20:14:13 - 01:20:36:23
Justin
Yeah. So for somehow, like being visited from another dimension or tearing open another dimension by accident or whatever it is, it would probably isn't just one race that has one car. You know, it's probably a pretty big variety of things. So that makes me kind of think, okay, well, maybe this is another civilization that has more than just a couple things going on.

01:20:36:23 - 01:20:48:06
Justin
It's not just a a white guy and a black guy and a Chinese guy. You know, there's a whole mix of things now. There's animals and there's amphibians and there's mammals and there's, you know, birds of prey and there's all these different things.

01:20:48:06 - 01:20:48:12
Justin
You.

01:20:48:12 - 01:21:09:04
Brady
Have to hold space for all of it. That's the deal. People that are challenged by this conversation just in any way typically can't hold two ideas in their head at the same time. Evolutionarily, we're wired to just put things in buckets. It's a great way of labeling a thing. This is dangerous. This isn't you. You over index on the dangerous because survival instincts tell you to.

01:21:09:05 - 01:21:26:12
Brady
Yeah. So it's like anything that's over there, it's like, well, if I want to sit here and, like, ruminate on it, like, what good is it going to do? It doesn't really move the needle on my life. But if you can be open to multiple things potentially being true, you are a more broad, well-rounded person holistically, and then you're now taking inputs.

01:21:26:12 - 01:21:45:21
Brady
You can go, I hold space for I can go and pioneer in ten different industries. I can go dominate the private sector. And I'm such a broad minded person, which I think is what we're just that's how I have to split this. It's just people that are broadly minded, open minded, open to the idea that, hey, maybe there are fucking reptilians in Congress, you know, who knows?

01:21:46:03 - 01:21:52:13
Brady
when there's a disproportionate amount of power, everything accumulates around it. And so you don't know what it's going to look like.

01:21:52:13 - 01:21:58:03
Brady
we like our boxes. I like neat little boxes. I want to be able to I understand this and I understand that, but it's

01:21:58:05 - 01:22:06:08
Brady
amount of things that, you know, or the amount of things that the smartest person on the planet knows is dwarfed by all of the things that they don't know.

01:22:06:09 - 01:22:27:14
Brady
That's been the case forever. But like, we have this Dunning-Kruger thing where the second you get a bit of expertise and experience or knowledge in one domain, you kind of think you know everything. It's this insane bias that that we develop. You know, you can meet a doctor or a surgeon and I don't know the tropes like, oh, they're very, very arrogant or very high on themselves because they have this narrow sophistication.

01:22:27:14 - 01:22:43:08
Brady
But then, you know, they don't know shit about a camera, they don't know anything about YouTube. And it's like, that's not to say that one that's obviously way more valuable, but it's they go into it and I've onboarded clients where they will start telling me how to do my job because they're really good at what they do. And I'm like, dude, I love that you're really smart in this domain.

01:22:43:08 - 01:23:00:11
Brady
That's why you're an attorney. You're going to be great on the show, but you got to trust me here. And so people have this confirmation bias where they are convinced that the thing that they perceive the world as it must be true or whatever. And so they won't hold space for this conversation. They'll go, oh, that's that's silly goose territory, tinfoil hat.

01:23:00:11 - 01:23:00:22
Brady
You're more

01:23:01:02 - 01:23:16:13
Brady
It is going to blow your mind. The more you open up to this thing, you're going to find that crafts have stadium sized insides on a 40ft machine. You're going to find that gravity can be distorted. And if you can roll and distort gravity, you can manipulate time.

01:23:16:13 - 01:23:22:09
Brady
You can be open to a conversation around dimensions, which all sound ridiculous until you go, well, no.

01:23:22:10 - 01:23:42:06
Brady
Like if I explain it to you well enough, you can actually open up to this idea. Yeah. You know, and there's a layer where it's like, oh, it's because I'm. I'm the doctor. Strange. I'm so sophisticated. I can't be open to any kind of silly goose territory, or I'm so religious that anything outside of the Bible would fly in defiance of my, my framing of the world.

01:23:42:12 - 01:23:52:01
Brady
And so I can't touch it. I can't, I can't at all. I cannot it, but it's like, you can be okay just going things may just not be as they seem and so be open to it.

01:23:52:02 - 01:24:19:16
Justin
Dude, I love that you said that. I want to hear what you think about. I have a theory about a timeline split that is happening right now, and it's it's inhumanity, right? On one hand, you have people that are are looking for and willing to accept new information and that might be that, hey, maybe there's something off about what I've always believed about big things politics, my religion, my country, health, my country, you know, whatever it may be.

01:24:19:18 - 01:24:38:14
Justin
And those people are the ones that are saying, cool, give me more. I'm okay. I'm ready. And I think what that does is it leads to more of an abundant life, because you're just willing to just kind of roll the punches and take more information. I think I think more data is good. I want a full disclosure simply from the fact that it is what it is.

01:24:38:14 - 01:24:57:23
Justin
I want the truth. I want the data, but I can handle that. Not everybody can. You can handle that. So on one side I think, yeah, yeah. So on one hand you have people that are willing to take new information. And I think what that is doing is kind of raising their consciousness level. They're becoming more aware, they're becoming more enlightened, maybe like a Dalai Lama would say.

01:24:58:00 - 01:25:19:23
Justin
And it's because they're they're more at peace with whatever the truth is, because it's the truth. And so their consciousness is raising that. There's splitting away from the people that are stuck in old beliefs, in old habits, old operating systems. And those are the people that I think are freaking out about everything. They worry, they stress, they're angry.

01:25:19:23 - 01:25:38:15
Justin
And it's kind of a lower frequency, a lower, you know, kind of just not denomination, I guess, but a lower kind of the lower split of humanity because they're like, oh, no, the pyramids were built by Egyptians. If you say anything, I can't handle that, you know, or like, aliens can't be real because whatever.

01:25:38:20 - 01:25:39:06
Brady
Or.

01:25:39:12 - 01:25:59:23
Justin
Inner dimension that's the only on Netflix, you know, and and they're just not willing to have it. And you can just see it like, you know, and I want to bring those people up in, in, in with us because I think we are in this camp because we're willing to just take more truth no matter where that truth leads, which just leads to an expanded consciousness.

01:26:00:01 - 01:26:28:08
Justin
My stepdaughter Jessica is 26, absolutely brilliant. She can talk to you about consciousness all day long and how we think the whole planet is connected in a consciousness. Humans, animals, the Earth kind of everything is kind of connected. And so, you know, I don't think we're going to go to another level of civilization with energy and power and controlling our own level of power and energy, which is kind of what this is judged by.

01:26:28:10 - 01:26:49:08
Justin
And if the if the overall human consciousness is not ready for it. So if we stay down here, we just stay as idiots, just clubbing each other to death or nuking each other to death, or just kind of in this low frequency where we're refusing new information, we're refusing to get out of our old habits, and we're just kind of like NPCs.

01:26:49:12 - 01:27:10:16
Justin
I don't think it's going to work for us. And so maybe that is part of what's going on with the aliens. Aliens, whatever this thing is, is if they're looking down and they see that our consciousness level is still just kind of like idiot caveman compared to them, they might be doing what they can do to keep us down, or they might be fucking with us in a way that we don't understand yet, you know?

01:27:10:17 - 01:27:29:23
Justin
So I think, you know, the more people that are at least willing to say that's new, that's weird, or I've never believed that, but I'm open to hearing about it. I think that's how collectively the whole world is going to kind of kind of level up. And I think that's where we need to go, because if you think about it, if we go far enough along that direction.

01:27:30:00 - 01:28:09:10
Justin
Are we going to nuke each other over all? No, because the farther up you go. Hopefully. Well, I mean, because if you go along this path, what happens essentially is you realize that, like, we're more connected than we realize, so we should probably be better to each other. We should probably be nicer to each other. We should probably, you know, think more in terms of like, how can we take all this technology that's in these phones and use it to better ourselves instead of just doom scrolling and ruling our brains and talking shit and bribing each other and, you know, and stuff like that, like because we have great technology that is being completely wasted,

01:28:09:14 - 01:28:29:14
Justin
completely wasted. So it goes back to what we were saying. If we do have technology that is just light years beyond what we are used to now, would you give that to a monkey? Would you give that to like just a low energy group of people that are just looking for a reason to hate each other and fight each other and ruin each other.

01:28:29:15 - 01:28:30:03
Brady
Knowing that'll.

01:28:30:03 - 01:28:48:04
Justin
Make it worse? No. Because. Yeah, exactly. Immediately can make a fucking way worse. So, you know, you know, as this stuff comes out, I would just I would just hope that more and more people go, that's weird, but I'm willing to think about it, and I'm going to think first before taking actions, because that timeline split is happening.

01:28:48:04 - 01:29:11:22
Justin
And I think if only if a little bit of percentage of people go up, it's not going to be enough, and it's going to be the rest of the idiots that kind of drag us through the wrong direction and our timeline. Instead of going to a civilization that does go to other planets and does, you know, get zero point energy or something like it and does go to a higher consciousness or more at peace that we stopped fighting, we stopped going to war.

01:29:11:22 - 01:29:24:03
Justin
I think if we stick in this other split, that's probably hell. That's probably where the planet is just going to kind of melt down and we're fucked.

01:29:24:04 - 01:29:43:05
Justin
So all of that put together, you know, looking at what are we dealing with? I tend to think it's more of something like that. I think the technology answer is too easy. I don't think it's just technology. I think there's something bigger happening and then we can get into, okay, well is this a is this an angel type thing?

01:29:43:05 - 01:29:59:06
Justin
Is this God you know, is God the the consciousness? Are we all a piece of it because we say, you know, you know, God lives within us and you know, and all that, is that all tied together somehow. And I just saw I think it's Josh Howerton. Do you know him? He's I might have his name a little bit wrong.

01:29:59:06 - 01:30:25:08
Justin
Pretty sure his name is Josh Howard. And he's like a megachurch pastor. He just put out a thing the other day about this, and he goes, there's a there's a scripture that says, essentially, I'll butcher it right now, but essentially says that evil essentially will rule the sky or something like that. And so he goes, well, if we're talking about UFOs and we're talking about things that defy all of our physics and stuff that we can't understand, that's the sky.

01:30:25:10 - 01:30:31:15
Justin
They're obviously in charge of the sky. I think they're demons. So I don't think it's that simple.

01:30:31:15 - 01:30:32:18
Brady
It's pretty reductive.

01:30:32:22 - 01:30:55:00
Justin
But I mean, I think it holds some water, you know? And that's why, again, I think this is so I think we're so we're missing the kind of the bigger point. And if it is something like that, we're living in this beautiful earth that doesn't exist anywhere else in the solar system because it is some super special, conscious, living, breathing thing that we're all connected to.

01:30:55:01 - 01:31:12:05
Justin
And there's something else that's trying to fucking pop our atmosphere and ruin and just kill everything, or it's trying to poison all of our minds one way or another. And it's and it's evil or partially evil, if that's the truth. You think they can tell people that? No. No way. No.

01:31:12:07 - 01:31:13:11
Brady
No, that wouldn't go well.

01:31:13:16 - 01:31:39:17
Justin
And then this all ties back into one of my other, possibly my even more favorite topic, which I think is related is are the ancient civilizations. You know, I grew up just going through school just like everybody else. The Egyptians made pyramids. That's cool. That's amazing. Extremely difficult. Don't really understand it, but it's there, so it's real. Now, the more that you study it and you realize that there are no glyphs inside of the pyramids, they're all smooth wall.

01:31:39:19 - 01:31:42:22
Brady
Zero. People like, oh, there's hieroglyphs and then there's not. When did you get that idea?

01:31:42:23 - 01:32:01:08
Justin
And they call it the King's Chamber and the Queen and the Queen chamber, simply because of the size of them. There's never been a mummy, a sarcophagus found inside of a pyramid. They have the strangest internal designs that don't make any sense, with weird shafts going at weird angles. And even here's one thing like, do you think about this with the pyramids, right?

01:32:01:09 - 01:32:17:10
Justin
We can build whatever we want, and here we can build a table we need. We need four legs. We need something to attach the top two and we should level it out. We can do that. But these pyramids talk about just one of the Great Pyramid. And they're all over the planet, are the most complex puzzles in human history.

01:32:17:11 - 01:32:18:14
Brady
Perfect engineering.

01:32:18:14 - 01:32:40:07
Justin
Millions of pieces individually cut. They're all different. These are not just a whole bunch of squares. And then we just kind of, like, hacked off the side to make an angle. Or then we went in and we dug a tunnel up to go bury someone, and then we sealed it off. They are all completely different, and they are so big and they are so high up.

01:32:40:07 - 01:32:58:12
Justin
It's interconnected thing like this. This puzzle piece here is this shape, but the one next to it is slightly cut this way because there's because there's an angle. But then over here it's, it's, there's a notch cut out because there's a thing going through it. We can't build those pyramids today in 2026, we could not build the pyramids.

01:32:58:12 - 01:33:25:08
Justin
So how in the world did we build them? Whether or not, you know, those those columns that go below it, you know, 1000m like they say are real or not, even if we're only talking about the existing structure that we can see on top, we can't build that today. So when I look at the the craft in this for the sport model and what that thing could potentially do, the way Bob Lazar describes it, I'm like, well, if we had that technology, we could build the pyramid.

01:33:25:10 - 01:33:56:21
Justin
If we could levitate, you know, these, these, these blocks that way, ungodly amounts of weight and put them in crazy formations and put them together like this puzzle. If we had that technology, maybe that would be possible. So are these craft from then, these craft from thousands or millions of years before that? But that's the only way, now that I can look and see that these pyramids were built, is if we have the technology that we see in some of these craft.

01:33:56:23 - 01:33:59:23
Justin
So I feel like they're kind of tied together somehow.

01:34:00:00 - 01:34:07:16
Brady
That's a big one too, is like they say that the pyramids could potentially have been a like an energy generator.

01:34:07:18 - 01:34:08:16
Justin
Yeah.

01:34:08:18 - 01:34:09:01
Brady
That's how.

01:34:09:02 - 01:34:10:02
Justin
I think it's a power plant.

01:34:10:03 - 01:34:11:00
Brady
The power plant.

01:34:11:01 - 01:34:12:07
Justin
Because what was on the top of it?

01:34:12:08 - 01:34:13:04
Brady
It was copper, right?

01:34:13:05 - 01:34:13:17
Justin
Gold.

01:34:13:17 - 01:34:14:11
Brady
Gold.

01:34:14:12 - 01:34:35:18
Justin
So the outside was was basically white or kind of pink. Whatever kind of granite. Smooth. This could be bright. You could see it forever in the top. That huge fucking cap was gold. The most conductive source on the planet that we know of. And the Nile River used to flow be closer to the pyramids. So they have they know that we have, you know, it's water underneath.

01:34:35:18 - 01:34:55:00
Justin
You can go down, you can jump in the water if you go all the way down the pyramid. Oh no kidding. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, you can go there right now and do that if they let you in. Right. So if you have flowing water underneath this thing and you have these chambers and you have these, these shafts that are going up, these shafts are tuned to certain frequencies, like, you know, pitches and whatnot to go through it.

01:34:55:02 - 01:35:03:04
Justin
You look at the way this thing is built and that that big kind of bucket that's in that one chamber they think might have been filled with mercury.

01:35:03:10 - 01:35:04:06
Brady
Oh, whoa.

01:35:04:07 - 01:35:37:06
Justin
If you look at all these different things, it looks like it blew up. Like there's burn marks and there's like like something happened. It wasn't like beat up with a hammer. Like there's there's evidence that there was potentially different frequencies and different pitches and different things going through their frequencies are power. So if you have this massive freaking thing with a gold cap on it, with flowing water underneath it, weird chambers that go up that are tuned to different frequencies, it's this is some sort of power harnessing thing, a source, maybe a telecommunication device, or maybe it made power.

01:35:37:07 - 01:35:43:17
Justin
We have no idea what it was for. It was not a tribute to a 15 year old Egyptian king.

01:35:43:22 - 01:35:45:22
Brady
It just loved him that much.

01:35:46:00 - 01:36:05:01
Justin
Dude. Yeah, you just went out of your way and, you know, had some crazy technology to build the most advanced puzzle on the planet. It's not even like a house. Like it doesn't make sense the way it's built. You would never build something so weird and complicated. If you look at the the pyramid from the outside of your to cut it in half and look at what's in there, you're like, what the fuck?

01:36:05:01 - 01:36:06:11
Justin
Why would you why you wouldn't.

01:36:06:11 - 01:36:06:22
Brady
Do that?

01:36:07:00 - 01:36:25:23
Justin
Yeah. You know, and then you find these things all over the planet, like go back and all these different ones that are aligned perfectly with the stars at the time. You know, that's another thing people don't realize. They think that, you know, these ancient civilizations were just, you know, bored or, you know, smoking ayahuasca or whatever and staring at the stars.

01:36:25:23 - 01:36:47:05
Justin
And then they made tributes to what they saw in the sky. Dude, they are so accurate to the stars at the time that it's like, why would you do that? And why do we see all these different things that have, you know, these ancient, you know, spirit, not spiritual man? What's the word I'm looking for when you have an aquifer that's kind of blessed by something.

01:36:47:07 - 01:36:50:04
Brady
You're kind of endowed, bestowed, sanctified.

01:36:50:05 - 01:37:14:01
Justin
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, something like that. You know, a lot of these ones in Peru and these other places are also over these, these, like these special water sources. Why would you do that? Why would you build on top of this mountain that you could barely get to right underneath this special aquifer? So there's there's all these ties all across the planet that it's like what is what was going on?

01:37:14:01 - 01:37:38:22
Justin
Because it's obviously not going on now. And it hasn't been going on since we've been here. But there was something happening on this planet. And I think my theory is that it was the civilization that advanced like us, maybe even farther, but not in the same way. We decided to make, you know, internal combustion vehicles and cell phones and computer chips and TVs and microwaves and stuff like that.

01:37:38:23 - 01:38:11:09
Justin
But that doesn't mean that every civilization would go down that path. Like if we exist and didn't decide to make technology with microphones and lights and whatnot, but we just had our consciousness go a certain way to where we we learned how to levitate things through sound. Yes. I mean, you could do a hell of a lot with that, and you would have no reason to try to, like, make some stupid, you know, Netflix doom scrolling YouTube type thing because you were all connected in a way like this whole consciousness theory to where you were just expanding your technology that way.

01:38:11:11 - 01:38:29:09
Justin
And maybe you got to use frequency and sound and and humming and singing in a different way. And, and maybe there was a way that you found you could travel that way, and you know what I mean? Like, so when people think, oh, you know, where where's the evidence from this ancient civilization that existed before? Where are the CDs?

01:38:29:09 - 01:38:32:17
Justin
Where are the roads? Where are the buildings? Who says you would have that?

01:38:32:18 - 01:38:37:17
Brady
Yeah. You're looking through your lens, projecting your own experience and assuming everybody else would do it that way.

01:38:37:18 - 01:38:41:13
Justin
Yeah. Because I think kind of the way we live is pretty fucking stupid, you know, like.

01:38:41:14 - 01:38:43:14
Brady
We cobbled together. It's really.

01:38:43:16 - 01:38:50:00
Justin
Yeah. Like we are we purposefully disconnect ourselves from the earth. Why would we do that?

01:38:50:02 - 01:39:02:11
Brady
Like in Peruvian culture. Yeah, I think it's Peru where they, their whole culture is centered around the vine. Ayahuasca. Yeah. They describe mental health. Mental illness is no longer being able to feel the trees.

01:39:02:12 - 01:39:03:00
Justin
Yes.

01:39:03:01 - 01:39:19:02
Brady
So it's like that whole culture has been predicated on the connection. They don't care about fucking TikTok or going viral. Their whole thing is they're so in tune with nature, and I don't know if that correlates with a longer lifespan or a more fulfilling lifespan. You go to a different culture and you were like, wow, I didn't know you could do the human thing this differently.

01:39:19:03 - 01:39:40:13
Brady
Like, I went to Japan and I was like, you can do basically everything completely upside down, and it actually works better. Yeah. Who knew? And it's like improved their way of living is. Can I talk with the trees? And if I'm disconnected from them because I'm doing ayahuasca, I'm in tune with nature. I understand that I'm just this kind of, like meat suit piloting a spirit, you know, and and my time here is finite.

01:39:40:14 - 01:39:46:00
Brady
Like, is that a more fulfilling way of living? But the way that we're doing it right now, it's it's so arrogant.

01:39:46:01 - 01:40:05:06
Justin
It is it's getting rid of like of who we are as animals, you know, because like, I don't know about you, but, like, you know, I feel so much better and healthier when I'm like, at the beach, when I'm on the real ground and the ocean is there and like, I just feel more like real. But then you go to our home.

01:40:05:06 - 01:40:29:07
Justin
What do we do? Concrete, asphalt, fake plastic, fake lights, fake everything. And it's like you just feel it. So that's why like a lot of like these retreats, like if you have like PTSD or if you're depressed, what's the first thing you usually do? You get rid of your freaking phone. You take your shoes off, you ground yourself, you get natural light, you get closer to the earth.

01:40:29:07 - 01:40:50:03
Justin
So these civilizations before, if they did it, and potentially a better way, which is my theory, they were trying to be closer to the earth and closer to each other. What we're doing is we're trying to get farther away from it. We're trying to live in plastic and concrete and like and like live in our phones. And it's like we're ignoring the beauty that's around us and where we came from.

01:40:50:05 - 01:40:50:17
Justin
So I.

01:40:50:17 - 01:41:13:15
Brady
Think we're a part of. And so then you're going to you wonder why everyone's depressed. You wonder why everyone's anxious. It's like you are living in direct defiance in almost every category to your biological predisposition. I just took my wife to Hawaii for our honeymoon. Yeah. And we came back and a business partner of ours. I told him like this was the most grounded reset nervous system I've had, and I can't tell you how long.

01:41:13:16 - 01:41:31:06
Brady
And he goes, he literally goes, did you do ayahuasca? Like what? Psychedelics did you? He was dead serious. He's like, you must have done psychedelics while you were out there. And I was like, no, dude, I touched grass. I touched beach, right? I was in the ocean. I had salt water in my pores, I was getting sunlight. I was almost never inside.

01:41:31:07 - 01:41:33:09
Brady
Yeah. And it's like I'm inside all damn day.

01:41:33:14 - 01:41:36:09
Justin
I ate real food. Yeah. I breathe clean air.

01:41:36:10 - 01:41:54:07
Brady
Ahi tuna that had been caught that morning. And it's like, I understand that a flight to Hawaii and the cost of living there, or the cost of getting a hotel. All of this, I understand in our current societal structure that's a luxury. It's now been put up here on this. You have to make this much in order to be able to have access to it.

01:41:54:08 - 01:42:16:21
Brady
And so people that are on the lower socioeconomic status, that all sounds just like like privilege. I understand that this society we live in is not architected for this. But you know what? Sunlight is free. You know what? Parks have grass that's free. It's there are some of these small incremental things that people aren't doing, and they're kind of messing up their own minds, their own psyches.

01:42:16:21 - 01:42:17:23
Brady
They're so unwell.

01:42:18:00 - 01:42:39:18
Justin
I would actually, you know, imagine if you're if you're a more intellectual being, right. Maybe, maybe you're a higher consciousness type being. Right. An alien, let's say they are that okay. And they look back at us right now and they look at how we live. We live in these boxes in these cities on this asphalt where we're ruining our gray matter and our brains with this.

01:42:39:18 - 01:43:00:18
Justin
And we're, you know, we're drinking alcohol and we're just we're just ruining our body. We're having all this food and synthetic living. I would actually feel sad for us. Yeah. I'm like, man, that sucks. You know, like, look at the animals. You ever see a fat lion? No. Like, all the animals are basically always in shape. They're always happy.

01:43:00:18 - 01:43:21:10
Justin
And, sure, they have to live by the rules of the jungle and they eat each other and whatnot. But we do that, too. But I look at the way we live now and I'm like, man, this kind of sucks, man. You know? Like that's why, like, there's so much. Maybe it's because I have a daughter, but I can't I can't scroll more than a couple minutes without seeing something about keeping screens away from kids because it's ruining their brains.

01:43:21:10 - 01:43:33:03
Justin
It's ruining that, you know, their ability to think they becoming more depressed. And I'm like, well, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, we live in concrete boxes and we are staring at a screen all day, and that's not what animals are supposed to do.

01:43:33:04 - 01:43:57:22
Brady
Yeah. Clothing our bodies and synthetic chemicals, eating food with preservatives, drinking water with fluoride, shrinking the pineal gland. We live, as RFK says, in a chemical soup. And if we are energetic beings and biological beings and we're inputting all this stuff affecting our hormones, disrupting our endocrine like, of course you're going to feel insane. Yeah, of course you're going to pick fights with everyone, and you're going to dive in on Twitter and you're going to have to beef with somebody, which I'm guilty of.

01:43:57:22 - 01:44:19:03
Brady
And you're going to see the enemy everywhere you go and everyone. And it's like, that is the polar opposite. Which kind of leads me to thinking is that by design, because a fractured population is a controlled population, a low vibrational state population is a controlled population. The last thing you want, if you're a king is to have everybody get together and oust you.

01:44:19:06 - 01:44:37:18
Brady
If you have all the power, if you sit on the top of the power structure, you want everybody sedentary. You don't want them being able to get. And so it's like, well, would we as the United States, which is kind of the story, like to be honest, it's a story. This is a landmass. We live on the landmass and we are united under the banner, which I'm I'm a patriot.

01:44:37:18 - 01:44:58:02
Brady
I do love my country, but I also am like lucid and unemotional about the fact that, like, you go to space, you're like, oh shit, we're all kind of the same. And so it's like we get very squirreled away into our stories and buy into it. But it's like, I wonder how much of this is by design to keep our own population under control, and how much of it is an external influence by a rival nation to keep us under control?

01:44:58:02 - 01:45:16:17
Brady
There was this guy, Yuri. He was a KGB officer in a very famous interview in the 80s. And he talks about how they wanted to they know that they couldn't topple the United States through kinetic conflict like the US is just too good. They had the moats. They have the Atlantic and the Pacific. It's objectively, logistically too difficult.

01:45:16:18 - 01:45:40:15
Brady
It's not a fight, but you can destroy them from the inside. You can start to fracture society. You can split people apart, you can get into academia, and you can start to inject narratives, Marxist narratives. You can start to inject combative thoughts where you no longer focus on the family unit. You break that shit up, you make them worry about, you know, people from another country and put all your time and energy and fuss into that and neglect your own children.

01:45:40:15 - 01:46:03:18
Brady
If you can destroy something from the inside, you have effectively toppled the thing you otherwise couldn't have toppled. And they call it active measures, where you subversively over decades, you play a long game, the Chinese play a long game, you subversively destroy it from the inside because you couldn't kinetically do it from the outside. And if you really zoom back on the timeline, Leninism took this principle as well.

01:46:03:18 - 01:46:24:07
Brady
When they were really bringing the Soviet Union to a new height, a new frontier. Well, they were trying to understand how do you control a population exceptionally well. Yeah. And one of the ways you do it is you make the individual more loyal to the state than their own families. Totally. And you do that by saying, hey, it's important to report your family if they're not on board with communism because they're not a comrade.

01:46:24:08 - 01:46:25:14
Justin
Statism, statism.

01:46:25:14 - 01:46:34:03
Brady
And if you can do that, you have an entirely controlled society. But if you do a little sidebar interview with them, how many people are happy?

01:46:34:05 - 01:46:34:17
Justin
Nobody.

01:46:34:17 - 01:46:51:02
Brady
Nobody. It's a it's a system that everybody has to buy into because that's the story that came into this world. That's the layout. That's the stage they're on, that's the script they were presented. And so you're not follow the script. You're going to end up in the gulag done so that you follow the script, but you're not happy and you know, you're not happy.

01:46:51:04 - 01:47:01:10
Brady
And why am I so far away from happiness? It's like, well, because you're following a plan that someone else who you don't know laid out, and it's not designed to help you. Right.

01:47:01:12 - 01:47:21:06
Justin
Let's take it up a level, because we're talking like country control, like, right. The leaders, the elite of a country, and then trying to control other countries and stuff like that. If you take it up a level, what if there was another level of intelligence that was purposefully doing that to all humanity? Because that happens across the board in every country now, right.

01:47:21:07 - 01:47:34:14
Justin
So what if, you know, going back to the engine civilization, what if the way we develop before basically didn't have that level of manipulation because everyone was kind of rising up, everyone was at a different consciousness level? Oh.

01:47:34:15 - 01:47:35:19
Brady
It wasn't working. It was shaking.

01:47:35:19 - 01:47:56:01
Justin
It off. Yeah. And for whatever reason, something went wrong. Maybe, maybe this higher power wiped that out and ended that. Maybe it was something just natural, like comets just happened to hit and killed everything. Sure, maybe even maybe we developed into a way. And we we figured out how to harness some sort of power that we didn't know how to actually harness.

01:47:56:01 - 01:48:16:04
Justin
And we ruined ourselves. You know, that whole Harran desert was not a desert. That was a jungle. What? Yeah. There's no jungle. The top of Africa used to be a tropic. Like the Amazon, essentially. So, yeah. So if you think of one, imagine the pyramids back in their heyday. They're bright white, they're glowing. They got the gold on top.

01:48:16:04 - 01:48:34:02
Justin
And like, you know, all the ruins that we see now have just rocks and destroyed buildings and these beautiful temples that are in crumbles for, you know, for no reason. All of that back then was lush. It was green, it was beautiful. And now it's covered in sand. So why?

01:48:34:04 - 01:48:36:03
Brady
Yeah. Where did the sand come from?

01:48:36:04 - 01:48:52:21
Justin
Did something go wrong? And maybe there were massive meteors that just happened to hit because we went through this belt and it just flipped, you know, just, you know, because what happens when you, when you, when you drop a big rock in sand, it just kind of liquefies for a second and then it forms. And where the hell do rock go?

01:48:52:23 - 01:49:13:12
Justin
You know, so with a big enough cataclysm hitting the Earth, you could liquefy half of a continent and just cover it in sand. That might be something that happened. So did that happen by natural causes? Did we maybe fuck up in the pyramids? Whatever we were trying to do there had some sort of and it just ruined everything.

01:49:13:13 - 01:49:20:14
Justin
Was it possibly a like a god creator type thing that said, oh, that's enough and and and wiped everything out?

01:49:20:15 - 01:49:21:15
Brady
No. Was flood reset.

01:49:21:16 - 01:49:44:08
Justin
Yeah. So so you know if that same kind of power what's it called a god for now or aliens. Who knows. We have no idea if that same kind of power that was there then had anything to do with either, you know, maybe just witnessed us what, destroy ourselves or maybe for whatever reason said, nope, that's enough and you guys are done and wiped it all out.

01:49:44:09 - 01:50:05:09
Justin
If that same power is still there today, maybe the way that it's being controlling us is through all the things you just said. Let's just have political division, let's have racism. Let's have all this shit that they bicker about that they should have nothing to they should never worry about. Let's make that the thing that they worry about.

01:50:05:10 - 01:50:22:16
Justin
Because if you think about that, like, like maybe this is a version of I don't want to say hell, but kind of maybe because it is kind of a hellish thing compared to not worrying about all the bullshit that we worry about today. Like, I feel like, you know, we're so advanced in a way, but we're also just, like, so stupid in a way.

01:50:22:17 - 01:50:49:04
Justin
So I was like, what the hell happened? We have we have evidence that we used to be very advanced, but that's gone and now we're advanced again. But I think in like a dumb way. So is something kind of like feeding that is something kind of controlling that steering, you know, and steering it and having us do wars and, you know, bicker about, you know, and economies and stuff like that, stuff that maybe shouldn't really matter, maybe never did matter before.

01:50:49:06 - 01:51:10:18
Brady
Tucker talks about this actually quite a bit, which I really admire, because it's like, you sound crazy to anyone that's basically not Christian. And it's this influence of spiritual, the spiritual warfare. I grew up very, very religious. I grew up in a high commitment faith the Mormons, the latter day Saints. And if you do it right, it's not just something you show up and do on Sunday.

01:51:10:19 - 01:51:30:17
Brady
Like they're very good at getting by in. Yeah. And I'm kind of looking at it in this kind of clinical lens like to people that are in it, you know, they're like, well, yeah, of course this is the one true church. This is my alignment with God. Of course I'm bought in. But if you if you're being just kind of honest about it, like intellectually honest, it's like these are songs that you sing from the time you're two to 3 to 5.

01:51:30:18 - 01:51:55:20
Brady
They steer like there's a very prescriptive format and there's millions of people that follow it. I did in the religious context, the spiritual context, spiritual anything is really kind of domain in, by, by religion. So unless you talk about it in the sense like, oh, I'm a mystic, but like you say anything spiritual and it goes in like one of those two buckets, you're like spiritual, woo woo, suck on a crystal, or you're like this religious zealot.

01:51:55:20 - 01:52:19:17
Brady
There's really no third category but that which fundamentally like, ignores how all of us are objectively spiritual beings. And so if we're all spiritual beings, meaning there's some kind of connection we have to God, whatever it is that created us, why the fuck we're here? You're going to ignore the fact that maybe your impulse to be mad at that guy, that could be some sort of evolutionary response.

01:52:19:18 - 01:52:40:23
Brady
Okay, you could also kind of be steered. You could, you know, they talk about how spirits are. There's good spirits and bad spirits if you want to be that reductive. And if there's a host of evil spirits and their goal is to influence you to do evil, right? People go, oh, the adversary, the devil on my shoulder, the thing whispering in my ear like that, those proclivities, my worst nature.

01:52:40:23 - 01:52:58:20
Brady
It's constantly driving me to do bad things. And I got all these demons in me. It's like, what if that's low key, real? What if there's a reasonable? And just because I don't have instrumentation and I can't, I can't put a white paper and describe it. It's just an anecdote. But you're saying it's not real. It's very dismissive.

01:52:59:00 - 01:53:13:07
Brady
You know, I had it was crazy. I had Elena Cardone in here two days ago. I saw that literally. She's the nicest lady on the planet. Like she's like a billionaire. And I'm like, you don't know. I don't know what kind of person I'm going to deal with. The nicest lady on the planet freaking love her. Shout out to you, Elena.

01:53:13:08 - 01:53:42:17
Brady
And she said, in this perfect sense of humility, she goes, my eyes can only see this much light. I can see most colors. But she goes, I can't see x rays, I can't see gamma rays. And my instrumentation, the mean I have of being able to see light around me. If I was just going off of my ability to see stuff, I would say there's only this much light until I create an instrument that goes, oh no, there's, there's gamma, there's x ray, oh, there's a whole spectrum of light, and it's way bigger than anything you're fucking eyes can see.

01:53:42:19 - 01:54:00:20
Brady
And there's going to be sounds that only dogs can hear and your ears can only hear so much. And there are sensory and there's tastes. You know, I love cilantro. Some people get a gene that makes it taste like soap losers. And there's this. There are these ranges, and we are confined by our own ability to interpret what we can see, feel, touch.

01:54:00:21 - 01:54:30:15
Brady
And so then we form our worldview around just the things that we can factually corroborate. Yes. But there are spiritual impressions that I get, and I feel like I get rage out of nowhere and I feel like I'm being imprisoned. So Tucker's theory is like, this is we're in the thick of a spiritual war, and there's a world where maybe nations can corral some of those spirits to fight for their cause, and those guys can corral spirits to fight for their cause.

01:54:30:16 - 01:54:58:01
Brady
And the second I say that, that sounds fucking ridiculous until you kind of go back to first principles, go, hey, look, that sounds silly because you don't have the instrumentation to to really adequately describe it or it's not. It's not taught at Harvard or something. There's no white paper on this. But if you're honest with yourself, if your nervous system is grounded, if you're just open, man, like if you just have some trait openness and consider something else you might be impressed upon by good spirits, by evil spirits.

01:54:58:01 - 01:55:16:23
Brady
And we're going to use the word spirit as a shorthand. It's a crude label, but it's something there is. There is something else. And so the alien conversation is, yeah, there's probably little gray dudes. Probably there could be shapeshifters, there might be reptilians. There's three species. Well, how many fucking fish are there? How many different types of reptiles?

01:55:17:00 - 01:55:42:02
Brady
Do you know what jellyfish are? They're just like existing floating nervous systems with no central brain. But they're coordinated. And then octopus can communicate. They can change color. We have the most fascinating creatures. Dolphins have exceptional intellect. It's like you think you know everything. You don't. And there's a great chance that there are spirits of all kinds of ranges, motivations, backgrounds, ancient spirits, and they just play a role.

01:55:42:02 - 01:56:06:21
Brady
And man, Italia like, if I've vibrational states, like the lowest vibrational state I've been is when I'm mad at somebody, I'm depressed. Maybe I'm drinking, you know, like a lot. And I don't feel connected to anything divine. I'm not having inspiration come to me in this overwhelming sense. But then when I'm close to my wife, when I'm in Hawaii and I'm grounded, I'm magnetically where I'm supposed to be biologically, yeah, my consciousness opens up, I'm elevated.

01:56:06:21 - 01:56:15:02
Brady
And if that isn't just from my own anecdote, like evidence of there's a right way to do this thing and there's a wrong way, it's very clear to me that there is.

01:56:15:04 - 01:56:35:16
Justin
Yeah, well, you know, we know almost nothing about our planet and we can see it, you know, like the Amazon most. I was listening to this guy the other day on Joe Rogan. He was saying that I think it was something like 90% of the species that are in the Amazon have yet to be discovered, because they live in the upper, like whatever it is, like upper half of the upper third of the canopy.

01:56:35:17 - 01:56:51:13
Justin
Oh my God. So we can't we don't know what to do. We can't get there. You know, I mean, these trees are 100ft tall. Most of that life lives there. So we don't even know. That's what we're discovering. New species of little critters and animals and birds and things that that are right here that we can physically touch.

01:56:51:14 - 01:57:25:15
Justin
Most of our ocean is unmapped. I think they said it's about 80% of the ocean floor is unmapped, and most of our planet is water. So we really don't even know what is right here that we can physically grab onto. So how much do we think we know about the spiritual realm that we really kind of only see, maybe in dreams or with like close talks with God or, you know, ancient texts or something like it's even less so to think that, like, we really fully understand, like even good and evil, it's kind of a kind of a crazy thing to even consider because, you know, like, I don't like I don't think we dispute

01:57:25:15 - 01:57:46:01
Justin
that there is good and evil. So evil is real. So what would evil be doing in our world today? How would it be showing up? Well, there's a lot of different ways, but I don't think it's just, you know, don't murder, don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal. Like, sure, if you do those things, you are on the side of good.

01:57:46:01 - 01:58:06:08
Justin
I would tend to think, but we're trying to conceptualize how evil would even show up. And we don't even we can't even really conceptualize that. And that's why I go back to like, you know, living in concrete, staring into phones and all this stuff like that is the opposite of what an animal does to me. That's kind of like a darker path.

01:58:06:10 - 01:58:28:08
Justin
So for us to sit here and think that, you know, we just we know everything because we were, you know, raised as like, I was raised Lutheran, you were raised LDS and, you know, all these different religions, you know, how have most war started because of religion. So it's like, well, that doesn't make any sense. I thought religion was supposed to unite people and enlighten people and make us more loving and caring.

01:58:28:08 - 01:58:46:21
Justin
And all these things most wars have throughout history have been fought because of religion. So it's like, man, you know, and, you know, again, I was raised and confirmed Lutheran, but I don't like go to church anymore. But I have the strongest connection I've ever had to God because I believe it's a 1 to 1 type thing.

01:58:47:01 - 01:58:47:20
Brady
What do you mean?

01:58:47:21 - 01:59:13:17
Justin
Like, it's like I can talk to God any time that I want, and I get the most out of it when I'm just quiet and I get rid of all the junk that's around us. And I talk to God that I can feel that connection. I don't really feel that when I go to church, even if you're singing hymns and listening to a sermon, sure, you might be a learning about Scripture, and there's definitely benefits to that, but it doesn't feel anywhere near the same experience as just, hey, I'm here, what's going on?

01:59:13:18 - 01:59:33:08
Justin
You know, and just in having that personal one on one connection. So it's really interesting that, you know, we know nothing about what we can physically touch, but we think we have all the answers to the spiritual realm. And it ties back to, you know, UFOs and aliens. You know, like Tucker said, like, sure, some of it might be manifested evil, you know, and it could be because what does evil want to do?

01:59:33:09 - 02:00:05:06
Justin
It wants to confuse. It wants to inject chaos. It wants to inject doubt, you know, and if some sort of disclosure does start to discredit religion, well, that would be like the ultimate touchdown for evil to accomplish. Oh, wow. You know, like, oh man, we're going to have this stuff in, you know, do it in a way that it's going to now invalidate part of whatever testament or whatever religion, when that's a huge win for evil because they're ultimate evil.

02:00:05:07 - 02:00:34:01
Justin
Satan's ultimate deal is to essentially have us question God and move us farther away from God, and from that spiritual enlightenment, from a higher consciousness, and get down into the dirty, you know, so if they can accomplish having religion be even partially invalidated, they're going to celebrate. They're going to throw a party evils, throw in a party. So that's why I do think there's definitely something to this, that it could be an evil thing.

02:00:34:02 - 02:00:51:06
Justin
Like like Tucker says, you know, and back, back again, all these religious texts have always talked about angels and demons and they do their best, I think, to tell the story of how that looked back in the day and everything. And so I look around today, I'm like, well, that hasn't stopped. I see no reason that why that would just not be the thing anymore.

02:00:51:12 - 02:01:08:15
Justin
So maybe what we're experiencing is very similar to what everyone else is always experienced and wrote about in every religious, you know, book. And maybe we're just getting closer to having it be kind of more public and more real for everybody.

02:01:08:17 - 02:01:20:06
Brady
I've never once considered that disclosure could be in the favor of whatever subversive force would like to just wreck and destroy and redact humanity.

02:01:20:07 - 02:01:41:14
Justin
And if somebody knows that, like if if the ruling people of this planet, whoever that may be, whether it's the top of the government or whoever's on top of them, you know, whatever. If if that is the truth, you think they're going to like, let that out now. And if they do, it's because there's a reason to this is a purpose for it.

02:01:41:14 - 02:02:09:01
Justin
And there's some sort of benefit to them. Either, you know, they're going to greatly benefit from whatever the ramifications are of having this disclosure come out and go ahead and, and kind of ruin good. Or maybe it's self-preservation, you know, maybe there's some sort of threat that it's like, hey, you know, the world is going to cease to end or your bloodline is going to cease to end unless you keep this narrative going, or if you don't, if you let certain things transpire.

02:02:09:01 - 02:02:11:13
Justin
So, wow, I know we're getting kind of deep here.

02:02:11:15 - 02:02:11:19
Brady
No.

02:02:11:19 - 02:02:27:01
Justin
I love it. But you know, if you just go back and just simply look at things like the pyramids and how they're built, or you look at these, you know, things that are flying around out there, we can't explain them. And so we try to look through it, through our lens of, oh, we are technologically advanced. So it must be advanced technology.

02:02:27:01 - 02:02:39:07
Justin
That must be 50 years or 200 years in, you know, advanced. And how have we got there is, you know, it can be debated, but it must be that that's what a lot of people want it to be. But that's the easy answer.

02:02:39:09 - 02:02:40:11
Brady
To fit in my world view.

02:02:40:12 - 02:03:12:19
Justin
And that's ignoring the fact that we are spiritual creatures and we have always been under some sort of influence from good and evil, as every, you know, nobody, nobody denies that. So as this stuff comes out like, again, if you want to raise your consciousness, it's my opinion that we just have to be able to take the information in without running from God and without ruining our lives, because that's probably what evil wants, or that's probably what is they're trying to make happen.

02:03:12:21 - 02:03:33:07
Brady
You're talking. Dude, I fucking love this. And what I admire the reason I started this show and I call it forged, is that my goal is that the listener comes away with a new neural pathway forged into their mind. I remember when I was a kid, I figured out multiplication for the first time. I felt it in my brain, my shit lit up and I was like, oh, that's how additions adding, adding.

02:03:33:07 - 02:03:55:18
Brady
But this is. And I figured it out and I felt this synapse occur, and I've had some of the best conversations and my, my plan was these conversations are going to bring new neural pathways and allow you to recontextualize the way that you're looking at the world. And do I just I love the way that you've described in articulated your position, your philosophies, your beliefs, and you're a smart person.

02:03:55:18 - 02:04:22:14
Brady
And the goal is to draw smart people and have these conversations. One of the things in being smart that I have identified is the smartest people I know recognize that there's always someone smarter. So to contrast that when people like Donald Trump is so dumb, he's so stupid. Elon Musk is so stupid. Bill gates Steve, it's like the the most unintelligent people assume that everybody's stupid.

02:04:22:15 - 02:04:43:10
Brady
Smart people know that there is always a bigger fish. And when you are intellectually honest, you know, I have an upper limit to my understanding. That's the honest thing, because otherwise you're wrapped up in your own biases. Your worldview is, oh, because I can't see it. It's not there because I didn't believe it. It's not there or it's not valid.

02:04:43:10 - 02:05:11:04
Brady
But the smartest people hold space for somebody else knowing something that they don't. For Donald Trump being whatever you think about him, insanely intelligent. Yes. Elon Musk being vastly intelligent because they're open, they have a high trait openness, and they're trying to learn from everybody else. And so I always find it so illuminating when on the internet, someone looks at a public figure, whoever, and immediately castigates or labels them as dumb or stupid.

02:05:11:04 - 02:05:38:13
Brady
And it's like you are a mirror of yourself right now. You're telling on yourself, and it's like the most the best thing that you can do in life is constantly seek out new ways of looking at things, constantly obsess over new information, expose yourself to stuff that has no bearing on anything that you currently no. And don't go all in and don't reject it on principle of just not knowing it, because there are more things you don't know than things that you do know.

02:05:38:17 - 02:05:57:00
Brady
But the smartest path forward is having an honest assessment of everything around you. And being like that could be true. My favorite way of saying that is there's a non-zero chance, right? And when I heard, I think it was, maybe there's just a non-zero chance that this outcome is true. There's a non-zero chance that we have an alliance with the aliens.

02:05:57:01 - 02:06:20:02
Brady
You know, there's a non-zero chance that we have. Space force has been deploying exclusionary missions for forever, and that was before it was Space Force, and it was just the Air Force. And that was when it was the Navy. Right. So it's like there's a non-zero chance all of these things have happened. And the more that you stay open to the non-zero chances, the better you're going to navigate life, and then you're going to be a little bit happier.

02:06:20:03 - 02:06:39:08
Brady
And I feel like everybody you ask anybody on the road, could you stand to be a little bit happier? Everyone will say yes. Yeah, everyone could use a little bit more fulfillment. In my estimation, the best way of doing that is by being more open and being more flexible and trusting that you're not the smartest person in the room.

02:06:39:08 - 02:06:59:01
Brady
Rarely are you. And so be open to learning from other people. Yeah. And I don't know, I just this idea about like, ancient civilizations, like, why is there such a fucking weird lid on that? Like, oh, no, the Egyptians did that. You know, there's this there's this Daron queue. It's a gigantic city they found built into the mountain in Turkey.

02:06:59:03 - 02:07:20:01
Brady
Underground. Underground. Yeah. It could house 20,000 people and they don't know who built it. You talk about Gobekli Tepe that's reset are now time scale for how long humans have been on. It's like I see all of these massive things and they just kind of ornament a conclusion which is like, be humble and be so aggressive to learn because there's so much to learn.

02:07:20:03 - 02:07:38:02
Justin
Yeah, that underground city like the easiest way to look at that, even before I say that, being able to say I don't know is a superpower. The people that always have the answers are usually the dumbest ones, because we don't know anything. And you have to be able to say this is zero non-zero chance that that might happen, right?

02:07:38:03 - 02:07:54:01
Justin
So if you look at that underground facility that holds 20,000 people, a lot of people will look at that and be like, oh wow, that's crazy. You know, whatever. And then they go about their life. If you just stop and think like, well, why did they build that? Because that was incredibly difficult. And then two, how did they build that?

02:07:54:02 - 02:08:22:02
Justin
Could we build that today? Could we dig into rock today and have air shafts and the ability to have light with seemingly fire without snuffing out the oxygen? How in the world would you actually be able to sustain life underground for with two people that far, let alone in a civilization of 20,000 people? And you know, that was also connected to another one, they found that miles away went to another one.

02:08:22:03 - 02:08:42:13
Justin
So I was like, wait a minute. Why would you do that? Well, like we live on the earth, not in the earth. I'm not ants. So what in the world would, would, would cause people? Because, I mean, imagine how much work that took, assuming that, you know, we think about it through terms of how we would do it with hands and shovels and picks or whatever.

02:08:42:14 - 02:08:44:16
Brady
Like or advanced drilling, it would still be insane.

02:08:44:17 - 02:09:00:17
Justin
Even if you had some sort of technology that allows you to just kind of like carve and scoop through Earth and whatnot, like, well, why would you do that? Why wouldn't you just build another badass pyramid? Why wouldn't you build, you know, something above ground where it's natural, where you don't have to try to live like an ant?

02:09:00:22 - 02:09:17:13
Justin
It doesn't make any sense. So if you can just say, well, I don't know, I think that allows you to then consider new options. And the people that don't are the ones that are stuck in that lower wonder. Like, nope, I have the answer because I got it from my upbringing, from my education, from my religion, from my granddaddy, from wherever.

02:09:17:13 - 02:09:35:12
Justin
And it's like, well, those people didn't have the answers either. And whatever you were taught was was put there intentionally in your brain. So now if you want to again, if you want to raise up, to speak, to say, I don't know and just think about it like, just literally ask like, well, what do I think about this?

02:09:35:15 - 02:09:49:00
Justin
This is what people do. They outsource their their opinion and their, you know, their answers to everything to other people or other institutions or other religions. They just go, oh, I don't know. But I guess that's the answer right there, because someone else told me, I'm like, dude, come on.

02:09:49:01 - 02:09:49:18
Brady
Well it's safe.

02:09:49:19 - 02:09:50:21
Justin
Think safety, self.

02:09:50:22 - 02:10:12:02
Brady
Safety in the consensus of the group. Yeah. And that's the biggest issue that I see in 2026 is there's just so many people outsourcing their opinions, not being curious. There was this crazy study that they did where they interviewed. And it was kind of reductive, but it was like people on the left versus people on the right. And my take is like the Democrats or Republicans, two wings of the same bird.

02:10:12:02 - 02:10:31:21
Brady
The real thing you got to watch is the shit that they agree on, you know, namely the debt, national debt. And then an additional conflict. Oh, now we're going to, you know, we're sending more money to Ukraine, whatever Israel. But the things that those studies assessed was, what do people prioritize based on their political beliefs. And so they have these concentric circles.

02:10:31:21 - 02:10:50:00
Brady
Was the first, most circle, second, third, most fourth and fifth. And so people that were on the right, they asked like, what do you value? And they went through this, this study and they self ranked what they prioritized. And the first was, you know, I take radical ownership of myself and I try and go to the gym. I train, eat better, I try and educate myself.

02:10:50:01 - 02:11:08:06
Brady
Second would be my family, my things that are in my immediate circle of influence my kids, my wife. Third would be the community. So people that I live next door to, you know, and my extended family and then fourth would be people of another nation or a neighboring country. Things that you're not in proximity to. You don't really have sand or people in another city.

02:11:08:06 - 02:11:11:15
Brady
It's like they're not your whatever, you're close, but it's not really your problem.

02:11:11:16 - 02:11:17:07
Justin
You can't really be expected to really care about people on the other side of the planet when you're trying to figure out how to eat over here.

02:11:17:09 - 02:11:43:22
Brady
Exactly. Yeah. And so they showed this heat map of like, all of these, like, responses. And people on the left had a completely different heat map. It showed that they had a very small signal on how they take care of themselves. They had no real interest in their immediate family, their immediate community. And then the heat map started emerging on the fourth and fifth and sixth concentric circle, which is people over there, people in a different country, people, you know, I don't know, immigrants.

02:11:43:22 - 02:11:45:13
Brady
If I'm just going to take a hot button. Yeah.

02:11:45:14 - 02:11:46:07
Justin
That's a great example.

02:11:46:08 - 02:12:03:14
Brady
Yeah. You know, and it's like, oh well I've got I've got to worry about the disabled trans Iraqi over there and ignore my dog. Right. And it was, it was so bizarre. You overlay these two heat maps of responses from people that that opted into the survey, the study and what people. And so it's used quite a bit.

02:12:03:15 - 02:12:23:12
Brady
I mean, it's a great talking point if you're trying to land a zinger, but what it illustrates to me is that you're going to probably live a more fulfilling life. The more you focus on the stuff that you can actually control and have input in. And most people that are super unhappy that focus on what the group consensus is, they're the ones that are worried about shit that they can't control anyway.

02:12:23:18 - 02:12:40:08
Brady
So they've outsourced all this thinking, well, because the group says worry about that. And that's just not a fulfilling way of living. I think there's a humanity. You can boil it down. What? They're not people. It's like, of course they are. But I can't pick every fight. I can't have a dog in every fight. Dude, I've only got so much compute power in my brain.

02:12:40:08 - 02:12:55:01
Brady
I got to live where I stand. And I have found that that is a more fulfilling way of living. And I want to be curious. I want to I want to grow my business. I want to meet cool friends and have amazing conversations. I can't worry about every other person's problem. And so they go, well, then you're not a good person.

02:12:55:03 - 02:13:06:15
Brady
Okay. If that's if that's the the counterpunch you've got, there's no talking sense to you anyways. Because I could look, if I really cracked open the layers on your life, it's probably a fucking mess.

02:13:06:16 - 02:13:13:12
Justin
Well, yeah. They show that the people that typically subscribe to that kind of left way of thinking are more miserable, unfortunately.

02:13:13:12 - 02:13:17:09
Brady
And lower testosterone, by the way, there's a correlation with that. I saw that really crazy.

02:13:17:09 - 02:13:47:12
Justin
But it makes sense because if you if you're worried about things that are completely out of your control, I mean, of course you're going to have more things to worry about. I mean, if you're worried about the immigration pattern of people on another planet or another planet feels like it. If it does feel like in another country, or you're worried about all these things that are happening that like, you don't even really know where it is other than the name of it, you know, on a map, of course, you're going to be more miserable because you're more worried, you're more stressed out, you're more angry about all these different things.

02:13:47:12 - 02:14:06:12
Justin
But if you bring it back to your main point of, okay, what is really important to me and my family first, you can get a lot of fulfillment and a lot of enjoyment by taking care of yourself, providing for your kids, for your wife, and then from there. Cool. How can I help my neighbors? How can I help my city?

02:14:06:13 - 02:14:30:10
Justin
How can I help my state? You know, how can I you expand out, but it has to start inward, you know? Which is also why, like you said, we're spiritual beings. Like, I think, you know, you have to have a strong spiritual grounding so you can have yourself be right first because then from there, cool. Now let's treat the body better, treat our family better, and maybe if we do good enough, like Elon's a great example.

02:14:30:11 - 02:14:42:04
Justin
Cool. I'm a genius and I have all of this technology and I have all these things that I can do. He can actually help people on the other side of the planet. He can send resources to people the other side of the planet and actually help them.

02:14:42:05 - 02:14:42:22
Brady
Starlink.

02:14:42:23 - 02:15:04:06
Justin
Yeah, exactly. Starlink is a great example. But if you're if you're sitting in your home in Brooklyn, in your apartment and you're sick and you're fat and you're broke and you're worried about people in Ukraine, I mean, what are we doing here? You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't make any sense. So it makes I mean, it makes perfect sense that people that think like that are more miserable.

02:15:04:06 - 02:15:21:18
Justin
So it needs to come back to like, what you can control. And if you can level yourself up, it's going to inspire others. It's going to bring your family with you. It's and I think that's how we all, you know, we talk about that consciousness level rising. It all starts with the individual. Because if you can bring others along with you, great.

02:15:21:18 - 02:15:41:15
Justin
But you can't be in a place where you're just a complete, maybe degenerate or you're broken or you're sick and think you're going to push others up. Like, what do you mean? Like someone who's like, completely falling apart is going to help me? That doesn't make any sense. But someone who's ahead of me or someone who's the least, you know, shining a good light and has a high consciousness.

02:15:41:17 - 02:15:50:01
Justin
Oh, you know what? I kind of. I can feel that I can I want more of that. I want to be a part of that, you know? So if we want to raise up, it all starts with the individual.

02:15:50:02 - 02:16:06:09
Brady
So let's end on this then, because you have already done this, you've actually created a men's group. You've been a part of a lot of men's groups. You've built this like super badass brand, which by the way, really exciting to see. It's about to take this like really up into the right turn again. But it's earned it all.

02:16:06:09 - 02:16:10:11
Brady
And you created this with Adam and I think maybe someone else.

02:16:10:11 - 02:16:12:17
Justin
I've had a handful of awesome people along the way. Yeah.

02:16:12:18 - 02:16:24:07
Brady
And so the whole thing is literally this in action. So can you just for people that are like trying to understand what it is that you're doing now, what is earn it all? What's the philosophy and how does it tie into this blend on this?

02:16:24:08 - 02:16:43:23
Justin
Yeah. So I've kind of niched it down to earn your booze, you know, because because earn it all is great. And I've been living like that as best as I can, you know, forever. Right? And it's having my health, my wealth, my mindset, my my family, my circle of people. Like just just doing everything I can to, like, crush those four corners, right.

02:16:44:01 - 02:16:59:22
Justin
This next push is under the banner of my first brand, which is Earn Your Booze. And you think of why. That's kind of like we talked about how drinking is not good and all that well, but the reality is, is people do a lot of things that are not necessarily healthy for them. They like to drink alcohol, they like to smoke, they like to eat ice cream.

02:16:59:22 - 02:17:31:23
Justin
They like to eat donuts. They have tacos, they smoke some weed. They, you know, they do these things that that are essentially, you know, you can look at it as like your nap or your weekend, but way too many people just do these things without actually earning the right to do that. So when it comes to drinking, you know, you know, a lot of the problems that come with drinking are not necessarily just they're not from the alcohol, they're from the second and third order of effects like is if you have if you and I were to go split a 30 pack after this and all of a sudden we're hungry, we're probably calling pizza,

02:17:32:00 - 02:17:49:01
Justin
like, we're probably going for convenience. Yeah, on dial or not, we're not probably going to be concerned about making sure that we're just like, eating as clean as we might have Monday through Friday. Right. So the booze philosophy ties right into earn it all. Because this is what I mean by booze. It is not just calories and calories out.

02:17:49:02 - 02:18:05:21
Justin
Like I'm going to go drink this weekend, so I'm going to go work extra hard at the gym. It's not that it's essentially having your shit together before you let your guard down and get silly and have some stuff, you know, like that goes in your body that's not necessarily healthy for you. And the way you do that is, yes, your health has to come first.

02:18:05:21 - 02:18:20:10
Justin
But then if you also have every area of your life together, like, you know, you mentioned Elena Cardona. I look at Grant as a good example of this because he's in the 60s, if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if he's 70, but he's in his 60s. The dude's in great shape. The dude has made a lot of money.

02:18:20:11 - 02:18:40:23
Justin
The dude, whether you, you know, like what he does for business or not, feeds a lot of people, has thousands of people that feed their families because of what he does. He keeps a tight circle from what I can tell with other people. And so if he decides to go out and go to Miami and drink and smoke some cigars and go check out on the yacht for a week, like his shit is not going to fall apart.

02:18:40:23 - 02:19:05:18
Justin
But most people don't do that. Most people just think, oh, I deserve to to get drunk or to get high. I deserve to have this, you know, this feel good food because they're chasing dopamine and because dopamine is kind of probably like the biggest drug that's around us. So my mission with Earn Your Booze and Earn It All essentially is to install that earn it mentality at a higher level than it is already installed in somebody.

02:19:05:18 - 02:19:24:17
Justin
Because on one side, you have all the fun in life, you got all the booze, you got all the drinks, you got all the fun and all the weekends and Vegas and the lake and concerts and festivals and all this shit. And then on the other side, typically people say like, well, over here is the grind culture and it's sober and you just 24 over seven, you're, you're just grinding on your business and you're like, you're going to the gym all the time.

02:19:24:17 - 02:19:44:23
Justin
And that kind of gets rid of a lot of fun. Earn your booze. Is that sliding scale in between? And my goal is to take you wherever you are in between there. If whether you drink a lot or not at all or a little bit, and is moving a little bit farther along the scale of taking more responsibility for your health, for your family, for your finances, raising your consciousness.

02:19:44:23 - 02:20:00:02
Justin
Because again, if you have your shit together and you go out and have some drinks and have a big meal and everything, it's not going to it's not going to do anything negative to you. You know, even if you make some mistakes and you tell everyone to fuck off, chances are your hobbies are going to forgive you because you maybe had a little too much.

02:20:00:02 - 02:20:18:04
Justin
But if you're always doing that, if you're always just living in a way that is just kind of gluttonous and you're not earning things in life, you're not earning respect by people, from people, by doing that, you're not really contributing to society. You're not part of this. You know, this split that is helping the overall consciousness of the of the planet rise up.

02:20:18:05 - 02:20:41:03
Justin
You're you're contributing to that lower faction. So I'm trying to help people that choose to drink or eat these, you know, treats and whatnot to to work harder, not just to have them, but because it's a better way of living. And it's like you said earlier, there is definitely something to be said when it comes to health about being happy, about laughing, about exploring new topics that maybe you don't talk about.

02:20:41:03 - 02:21:13:12
Justin
Because I was texting people on the way up here that I was so excited to come here and talk with you today about UFOs, because every other podcast is usually about business or men's development or, you know, being a father and all these things that I'm very passionate about and I love. But if you can do something sometimes that has you, you know, just talking about things you normally don't talk about or just, you know, caring a little bit less about the grind and having fun, that happiness that you share with other people, that social connection, which it kind of feels like a spiritual connection when you have that with somebody, it's way different than

02:21:13:12 - 02:21:34:16
Justin
just making money with somebody that I believe does lead to a more fulfilled life, a happier life, probably longevity. You know, my grandmother's 97 years old. She's always just been the funniest, most witty, you know, humorous type person. She still digs on people. She's an assisted living home now, but she still digs at people. And I think that's why she's still going because she's always had happiness with her.

02:21:34:16 - 02:21:45:03
Justin
So that's what I mean by that. It's kind of earn and enjoy life without apology. But just make sure that you're earning all the things that you do along the way.

02:21:45:05 - 02:21:58:07
Brady
I love the philosophy. I need a bracelet. Everything about it is cool. I knew about Earn Your Booze way before I met you, and then you came into my studio one day. I think you were a guest on the show, and I was like, no way, you're the guy. It said it was probably two years ago and sent to him.

02:21:58:07 - 02:22:11:00
Brady
We've just been fast friends, and if people are looking to improve the overall fabric of their life and all of this resonates, or part of it resonates, you should check this out. It is incredibly cool. What's developing is here in Scottsdale.

02:22:11:00 - 02:22:25:22
Justin
So we're going to have a badass event here in Scottsdale. I'm looking at probably late July early August, so I'll definitely let you know about that. But man, like, you know, community is so important. You know, this is the last thing I'll say about it. To tie it all back together is when I think about those ancient civilizations.

02:22:25:22 - 02:22:48:20
Justin
If my theory is correct, I think those people were more connected. I think they were either connected just by the way that they lived, probably the way they treated each other, you know, just the way that they looked at, you know, their environment and everything. And, and I feel like this is a way to kind of do that because it's bringing people together under that Earnhardt mentality that I know is just good for each person.

02:22:48:20 - 02:23:08:18
Justin
It's just good species. Yeah. Because like, you know, it's real accountability. And accountability essentially is the ultimate hack to the personal development. If you take more accountability for your actions, for what you eat, for what you think, for how you treat people, you know, the way you live your life, you're going to have a better life, you know?

02:23:08:19 - 02:23:21:23
Justin
So that's why we're going to do a big, you know, fitness and social event. We're going to get together and sweat and have a good time. You're going to meet people, you're going to high five. You're going to shake hands, you're going to laugh, you're going to smile. And if you choose to drink, you're going to have some drinks and you're going to get that other side of the thing.

02:23:21:23 - 02:23:43:11
Justin
And, and I think, you know, if people would live their life in a way that was still prioritizing the hard work that needs to be done, but also allowed them to have fun because we don't know how much time we have each day, then I think that's the way to kind of live life. And I think that's probably what the Creator or God wants for us is to, is to have a great life.

02:23:43:11 - 02:23:59:16
Justin
And I think it's a lot harder to achieve that amazing life that inspires people and brings people up in the world. If you're just constantly all about the grind and whatnot. So it it's not balanced. It's about priorities. And that's why I get to earn everything.

02:23:59:20 - 02:24:02:22
Brady
Justin, you're a fucking legend, dude. Real quick, where can people find you?

02:24:03:03 - 02:24:06:15
Justin
Earn com or Justin J Cross on Instagram.

02:24:06:15 - 02:24:12:09
Brady
Thank you for being on forge, dude. My neural pathways are everywhere right now. Thank you brother.

02:24:12:10 - 02:24:14:02
Justin
Yeah thank you bro. This is great.