Gen Z Was Never Meant to Think: The School System Was Designed for Factory Workers | Ep 10

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Speaker 1
There are active efforts being made by specific organizations and individuals and political parties that do not want you to have kids because they know what it does to you. I don't work weekends. I stop work at 5:00 on those days, and I have still built what is now progressive, becoming a multi-million dollar company while still protecting my family and my faith and everything else that matters most to me.

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Speaker 1
I specialize in long form. You were the master of short form. You have clients coming out of years and all of these good things happening for you. I want you and I to basically write a love letter to Gen Z. I actually tell this to my team all the time. I say, I want you to use AI, but I actually want you to use your brain and manual labor way more than that.

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Speaker 1
I understand it's sexy for us to try and automate as much as possible, but like, you have to know what's good in the first place. What changed when you became father? I'm Gen Z, so if I'm giving a message to my own generation, like, this is what I'll say, dude.

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Speaker 1
Let me. Davenport, welcome to the show. Pleasure to be here, dude. You and I are millennials. We have businesses that are crushing. I specialize in long form. You are the master of short form. You have clients coming out of your ears and all of these good things happening for you. I want you and I to basically write a love letter to Gen Z, an advice column to the generation coming up behind us.

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Speaker 1
My advice to Gen Z is that they should have one foot in Home Depot and one foot in Clod Coworking right now. You've got to be able to have a practical skill set, because the robots are not going to come for probably another ten years, realistically. So there's time. There's time to pivot and adjust. So I think that they need to have a hard skill that can be learning how to be an electrician.

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Speaker 1
It could be learning how to fit PVC pipes because no one's going to not have houses because of AI. Yeah, all of those things are going to stay. You need to know how to do something really practical. In my team's case, they know how to build amazing film sets. They know how to produce, and then they know how to edit.

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Speaker 1
They've got a lot of practical skills. A lot of people don't. So my advice is, have a foot in Home Depot and basically know some narrow expertise on one of those things in one of those shelves and then at the same time, know how to work with AI. People don't really know how to use AI because they don't understand that it's actually maximally capable.

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Speaker 1
They look at it as like when you call in customer service and it's like, hey, I represent AT&T. Tell me what you need. And you're sitting there going, there's no way I can tell you what I need. You're not capable of answering this question to an agent. Yeah. Speak to an agent. Speak to an agent. So yes, that's over and over and you're like, well, I actually have six things that I can do, but you have to guess, you have to throw your question into the abyss.

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Speaker 1
And just guess what? My little phone so you can do. I'm sorry I didn't get your response. Yeah. Please say that again. AI is not like that. AI can do anything and if you push it, you beat it up. If you refine it, you take its output and go. Here are the three things that I didn't like about this.

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Speaker 1
Now reconsider it this way. And you recursively sit there and improve it, and you beat it up for an hour. Now you're cooking and now it is a world changing technology. You and I know that our teams know that most people don't. So I think if you understand how to use the superpower, the small country of geniuses that's hidden inside your laptop, if you know how to really do that while having a real practical skill set, you're potent your future proof.

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Speaker 1
That's my advice. And then also, by the way, if you've got a narrow skill set, you can make content around it. Yeah. There is this kid that I, I met while I was at Mr. Beast and his whole thing, he blew up on TikTok because he made subway sandwiches. I don't know if you remember that. I can't remember his name, but he would literally.

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Speaker 1
He had, like, a GoPro, like a chest mountain GoPro, and he would film himself making subway sandwiches and he would just talk. No, really. And it blew up because everyone was like, this is so satisfying to watch. Yeah, there's a guy that does it with Pizza Hut. Oh, there's a Pizza Hut guy, there's a Pizza Hut guy, he's big.

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Speaker 1
And then there's a guy at Domino's that tries to go back at him. So they just go back and forth all the time. It's not it's not a GoPro on the chest, but it's like puts the camera down or the phone and then does the same thing. That's awesome. Yeah. If you get a narrow skill set like something you're really good at, then film yourself doing it.

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Speaker 1
Well. Now you've got content for days like you and I are a clients are exclusively people that are good at stuff, who just don't know how to do the content thing. That's my first bit of advice to a Gen Z or who's going, boy, this is not fair. Yeah, because it's not. It kind of doesn't feel fair. No.

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Speaker 1
You know, the whole thing changed, and you and I like we're now we're adults. You have a family of kids, I'm married and we've got our footing, and we have the tools and we've got the resume and the experience to be like, I know how to navigate, I can move forward. But for them, they're like, I'm just now starting that path.

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Speaker 1
What would you say? First, I would address that when it comes to AI, like there's already a natural resistance towards it. Like there's there's a lot of sentiment that's going out there about AI, that it's going to take your job or that it's it's burning up all the lakes. Data centers are taking all the water from all the water.

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Speaker 1
There is people that are actively campaigning for, like all AI to be taken away. And it's look, it's kind of sexy. Like it sounds nice, like people love being rebels. It wouldn't be part of a movement. It's more about who's the enemy you're fighting against. Naturally, they are entering into a world where their demographic, a lot of them, like all the surveys and studies, show a lot more negative sentiment towards this technology than positivity or optimism.

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Speaker 1
Now, imagine we're having this conversation a hundred years ago when a Ice vehicle or an internal combustion engine, meaning just like a regular car, was first hitting the market, and everything before that was horse carriages. And all of a sudden it's like, are you kidding me? You're going to put someone in a vehicle that can go 40 miles an hour, like you're going to, these people are going to die.

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Speaker 1
You're you're gonna you're gonna.

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Speaker 2
Take all the people's jobs away from the carriages.

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Speaker 1
And Henry Ford's over here saying.

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Speaker 2
Hey. You have no idea.

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Speaker 1
The ridiculousness of it is that we we aren't willing to open our eyes and see that this is not the first time we've had technological advancements in society, one way or another, over the last few hundred years, we have consistently evolved with new technologies, and there's always a period of resistance to it. But what you cannot argue whether you want to fight against the machine or not, is that it is coming.

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Speaker 1
So you have to make that foundation first and you have to get your emotions out of it. Because if you let your emotions stay in it, you're just like, oh.

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Speaker 2
I hate this thing. I'm never going to do it.

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Speaker 1
I refuse to do it. Like, I know people who have actively told me that they refuse to use AI for anything. And I'm like, that's that's fine. You're allowed to do whatever you want. But if you think that somehow that that's going to put a dent in the momentum that these trillion dollar companies are building. I'm sorry, but that's not where the future is headed.

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Speaker 1
So you have to remove emotions, understand where things are going, because then it's it's whether or not you choose to hop on the train. But right now, I think the first problem is no one really wants to hop on the train. But it also is because they don't understand what the benefits of it could be. All they've been voiced is everything about AI is bad.

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Speaker 1
Everything about AI is going to take your jobs. You're going to live on a universal basic income. It's not going to be anything of value to you in your life. It's just going to make the rich richer and the poor poor. So essentially don't engage with this. But if we're going to have an honest conversation about how you want to provide for your family realistically, like for me, when you have have something to fight for, like in a relationship and you have a spouse, you have kids, you maybe have a business, then you emotions are gone.

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Speaker 1
It's like, I got to do what I got to do. I got to provide, I don't care. My emotions are I don't care what I think about this. It's hard because Gen Z, for the most part, studies also show that they are not getting into relationships. Average is like 28 years old and average marriage is 33 years old.

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Speaker 1
So like right now, most of Gen Z, they're not in these relationships, so they don't have something to fight for. Which means that they're kind of in this period of just exploration, like, what do I want to do? And I don't know if I want to do this. I don't know if I want to do that. And so there's no push comes to shove or friction where they have to start making the decisions and like, look, whether or not I agree or disagree with if it's burning up the data centers, I got to figure this out because I got to put food on the table for my kids.

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Speaker 1
Right. So you're seeing more adoption coming from like older generations, specifically, more the millennials, the Gen Xers and some of the boomers kind of like it. My mom loves it. Yeah, but but when you're going towards like, the Gen Z and like the Alpha generation, like, especially because they're consuming so much content, a lot of them are like seeing more resistance towards this thing.

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Speaker 1
Then once we've established the foundation of hop on the fricking train. Yeah. And find something to fight for, for yourself, whether it's literally for yourself that you just truly want to become the best you can at whatever you do, or if you have a family or something else to fight for in a mission, then I mean those. That's what's going to activate your your drive to figure it out, because you can't.

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Speaker 1
If someone's reason themselves out of something, you can't reason them into it. It's it's very hard, right? There's so much more friction. Have you ever met anybody who's like a flat earth? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I have very.

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Speaker 3
Very devoted to this thesis.

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Speaker 1
Yes. And do you, do you feel like you would ever be able to convince them that it's not flat? No, but they'd use the same logical points that I would use, which is like, you can't go, you're not in space. You don't know exactly. And they're like, yeah, that's exactly right. You're not in space. You don't know. And it's like, okay, fair point.

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Speaker 1
But you just on some silly goose. That's what I'm saying. Just wait. I'm going to get on one of Jeff Bezos ships and I will. I don't get on the last one. Did you see that? No, I did not. A Blue Origin rocket blew up, and we're not talking. Oh, this is like this is like a like a deep sea kind of thing to write.

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Speaker 1
What was that one with the submarine that just, like, imploded? No. You remember that? That was like. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Submarine was controlled by an X box controller. This is not that. Space X blows up the rockets all the time because their test stress testing limits. Yeah, I guess Blue Origin did that too. I have never seen an explosion like this.

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Speaker 1
Was it like a nuclear bomb in the sky? Yes. Oh my God. But it was like as it was trying to take off. I never seen space explosions. Always like catastrophic. This was like a like an atomic bomb. Oh, my. It was so crazy. Emily showed me it last night. Oh, Lord. She gave me the sea. The Blue Origin rocket blew up.

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Speaker 1
I was like, no. Oh my God.

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Speaker 1
I'm sure it will be a meme on my feed sometime soon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just wait for it. That's that's ridiculous. What's your point? The. Yeah. Look, the point is, is that if someone's reasoned themselves into something, it's very hard to reason them out of it. So like anything that I could say moving forward doesn't even matter if they're still in that camp of like, FAI.

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Speaker 1
I don't even want to be a part of this. So those people have to figure that out. And that's that's not for one podcast that I'm going to unreason you out of these things in 45 minutes. That's not going to happen. But I will make my message for the rest of the people who are already on the train and are very interested in it, because there is unlimited upside for what you can do.

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Speaker 1
Like I was joking with my friend the other day. Same thing with the horse carriages to the cars. It's like, well, there's a lot of jobs we need now. We need new mechanics now. We need people who do detailing. Now we need people who do tire rotations. Now we need people to make tires. How many people make GPS systems now?

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Speaker 1
We need someone to wrap our cars for us. There are so many different jobs that now entered the market because of the new technology. It's just a transition. So yes, have one foot in the door with Home Depot is super smart because you need those hard skills like and soft skills like. It's a combination of both. You have to have some ability to communicate and talk to people, have relationships, be able to to lead others.

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Speaker 1
If you want to get into like executive positions and at the same time, you also need to have a valuable skill set that the market will reward you, it will pay you for it and find those like evergreen markets, find those forever markets where it's, you know, you're always going to have plumbing, like you're always going to need a toilet.

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Speaker 1
I will always poop. I, I hope that actually hope so I hope that nothing comes in our generation or in our lifetime that somehow removes that need for us. Because I'm I'm going to be pretty skeptical about that one. So look, you find you find those things and they're boring. But like, I don't know, you could go a conversation of, you know, is boring, actually better because I know a lot of people who do the boring jobs and they make well over six figures.

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Speaker 1
So like, if it's about money, it's like you go do those things, but do not miss what is happening with AI because it's not whether or not you need to have like an AI business or whatever, but you have to understand the technology. Imagine when social media first came on the scene, it was like, well, I don't want.

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Speaker 2
This do that to.

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Speaker 1
Totally disconnects me from my friends. This is not what social media is like. I'm I am against the machine. Right? And then all of a sudden, it's like a necessity for every person, whether they want to build a brand or they want to build a business, or they want to communicate their mission to the world, like you have to do content now.

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Speaker 1
And now you might be ten years behind and everybody else is winning, and now it's a lot harder for you to find success. And you're busier and you're older, and you probably have a family and kids. So like, look, the point is, is like this. This is not the first rodeo that we've dealt with before. And so you do have to keep your foot in something that I think is very tangible and valuable.

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Speaker 1
But yeah, you have to be paying attention to where the technology is going so that you are at least aware of where the ship is headed, because then you you know when to jump, you know when to hop on that because you're you're keeping an eye on it. But then the question comes like, how do you do that?

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Speaker 1
Right? Like what is the actual skill set of learning those things? I mean, I'll tell you what I do. Maybe that's a better answer than giving tactical instructions, because I can really only explain what I do. What do you do, Mr. Davenport? What I do is I actively use the tech every day. Like, just play with it, hang out with it.

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Speaker 1
Like I use Claude more than ChatGPT now. Oh, so you're saying I'm an adult? Okay.

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Speaker 1
I have graduated, and. Yeah, I figured this out. Yeah. So I use Claude and we use it for a lot of stuff, but, like, I'm constantly using it to jam ideas that the. So we were talking about this before, but like I'm bringing I brought someone into my team that had an agency, I merged them into it, and I had no idea how the hell to structure compensation for someone like this.

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Speaker 1
They gave them almost like what felt like equity in the position, but didn't compromise that for the business because they didn't want equity. So like, I legit was like, who do I freaking talk to about this to do this? Yeah. I'm working. Maybe. Yeah, I'm we're working on rev share rev share deals right now with companies that are doing 60 million and above and in very, very unique market spaces.

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Speaker 1
And unless I had an internal connection to someone who's already done that before, I literally have no one to help me get into these deals. But I'm having these conversations where it's literally giving me step by step like, hey, you don't want to do profit share because they might rug pull you on a profit share because they can shift their margins.

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Speaker 1
They can be like, hey, we got to hire more staff. We got to hire more people. We're going to go higher quality on product. So now we went from a 30% margin to a 15% margin, and if you make 5% of the profits, all of a sudden that just diminished most of your returns. So do a rev share because it's easier to manage because at the top line you can see the total.

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Speaker 1
And then that's their responsibility after everything else, to go and figure out their margins and make sure that they're still profitable for themselves. But like I literally was going to go into the deal being like, dude, we'll do a profit share. And then Claude literally was like, don't do that. Hey, don't do that. I almost wanted to have like a vocal voice where it's just like, you idiot.

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Speaker 1
Don't do that, Remy. What are you thinking? Wouldn't that be great? It would be amazing. I mean, if they'll probably come out with it, I want Jarvis. All I want is Jarvis. By the way, you can whisper to Alexa, and Alexa will whisper back to you. Have you done that? I think I've tried it a couple times and it kind of worked.

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Speaker 1
My wife will be asleep and I'm like, Alexa, turn off all lights and then it'll process it for a second. It goes, okay, good night. It's so funny. It's so funny. I, I probably should just whisper to Claude and see if that works, but. Yeah.

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Speaker 4
All right, listen, I don't really know. Are you talking to me like that?

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Speaker 1
Yeah. I need you to come up with me. A full on revenue share model for a 12 month pilot with a $60 million e-commerce business in the the baseball space. So anyways, point is, is like I'm using this for crap that I don't know because it's the quickest access to someone that can give me feedback. So like you're just normalizing using the technology and kind of seeing where it goes.

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Speaker 1
And then as you are in that space, look, the way algorithms and content works is it's all interest based. So whatever you interact with that's going to give you more of that. So I try to keep like a couple different creators in my space to kind of show me when new things arrive, and I'll watch that content and it's just quick little things.

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Speaker 1
In a lot of it. It can be super overwhelming with like, oh, I built up this entire node in N and N that just does this entire automation. It goes ahead and low balls offers on Facebook Marketplace the second it gets posted and I'm like, that's a cool concept. But then all I'm actually seeing is like, people are doing this, so it shows me what is possible.

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Speaker 1
So then I at least have an understanding of like, oh my gosh, someone just automated this skill set. It's like, oh, all of your DMs setting for like trying to pull in leads for your business. I have Claude doing that for me now. Now I understand what's possible with the tech. I don't know what it does. I don't really understand it at that level, but I know it's possible.

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Speaker 1
And once you understand what's possible, then it at least can give you a roadmap to dream and build vision around. And if you're trying to build a company or you want to do something specifically with a personal brand, or be a creator, or even work at a company, like learning, learning from those people and kind of getting those touchpoints makes your position.

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Speaker 1
And whatever you do ten times, a hundred times more valuable, because then it just creates efficiency for you to be able to have a higher output.

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Speaker 4
Exploring the upper limits of that is really, really smart. I like you're framing on. That is something that I didn't realize I was doing as well. If you don't know the upper limits, like everybody is sitting here trying to figure out, what do you do with a country of super geniuses, what do you even begin to do? Because also when you get in there, a lot of it is like still cobbled together.

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Speaker 4
And so it's like, oh, like build me a $10 million business, make no mistakes. Like, that's the joke. It's like maybe one day, but it's like the, the end point to to where you're at right now. It's like, well that's like 10,000 rounds of prompting and even then it's still going to an API is going to change. Something's going to break.

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Speaker 4
But the bottom line, I think, is really understanding what are people doing on the upper limits of AI so that you can better contextualize. Here's where I'm at right now. And if I know that that dude can do that with AI, okay, so there's clearly more functionality or capability than I was assuming. It's like the constraint is actually your imagination.

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Speaker 1
Exactly.

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Speaker 4
Which is really uncomfortable. Yeah. Because then it's like there's a lot of unimaginative people out there. Yeah. You know, there really is. And the craziest thing is you take it to the I was listening to Marc Andreessen. So he owns Andreessen Horowitz. He's a billionaire. He's got an egg shaped head. He's really interesting.

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Speaker 1
And he loved the egg shaped detail. Dude, he's I can picture him. He's Humpty Dumpty on the.

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Speaker 4
And every time he's on, literally everyone calls him to Dumpty, but he's on a pod. He was on to a rogue and he goes, so anyways, like I was saying, he does that. He has this loud breathing thing that he does. So I was thinking and yeah, so he's talking about in Silicon Valley, people that are taking this to the maximum limit, and they are AI coders and engineers that are being paid $50 million a year.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, like the top end.

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Speaker 4
Top end developers are making 50 million a year. What are they doing, you might ask, that would warrant them being paid a $50 million salary. They are turning into what they're calling now AI vampires. And it is that they have gotten so good at the fundamentals of coding that they're instead of doing it line by line and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4
That's really low leverage now. So what they'll do is his the example he gave is imagine you go to your your cloud Codex or coworker, whatever it is that's coding and you say hey or curse or in this case you're talking about cursor. Hey, I want you to code me a video game. He's using this as an example.

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Speaker 4
Code me a video game, and I want the whole game to be everyone's wearing blue suits or red suits, and then I want them to be able to jump over obstacles. Now it starts coding. It takes about ten minutes. So you've got ten minutes to kill. What do you do? You open up another panel, another tab, and then you go and start the cook on the next layer of things that you want to build out a totally different project.

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Speaker 4
You know, you got about a ten minute incubation time. Okay, great. So you started on something else. Hey, I want you to create me a game where boats are battling ships, and then it starts and it goes, and it starts coding it for about ten minutes. But then you go back to your first tab, ten minutes of gone by.

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Speaker 4
Oh, okay. This is pretty good. You're testing it out. Well, actually I'd like them to be able to jump twice as high in this game. And the blue suits actually want them to be green. So then it goes back. It's kind of like rendering right in a video or, you know, or animation. So then it goes, okay, cool.

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Speaker 4
Let me make those changes for you because now you don't have to code it line by line. You can say, change this thing, this, you know, whatever point. And so then it takes about ten minutes. So they're now saying that the upper limit has been taken to one high leverage. Developer can have 20 different coding agents going at the same time.

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Speaker 1
I just got an army of Mac mini around them.

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Speaker 4
Literally. That's what they do. They shift gears, they rotate their their their table, and they're over here on number one. So they have 20 different irons in the fire going at any time. Well, the developers have been constrained by one thing, which is I'm one person with two hands and one computer. I can only code so much now it has a step function increase.

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Speaker 4
Now they can create 20 times the amount of code. And really it's not even 20. It's more like 2000 times because it's not just like hey, I've got 20 different projects. It's like, yeah, but the chat agent, the the language model is now coding very sophisticated, thousands of lines getting banged out. And so these guys don't sleep. So they're calling them AI vampires because they're so addicted to the fact that they're getting these results.

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Speaker 4
And all of the dream projects that they literally they're one constrained of my two hands, my one laptop, it's gone. And so they don't sleep anymore. They don't eat anymore.

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Speaker 1
I'm just imagining like a, like a circle or like the it's almost like the security walls that you see in movies and stuff like that, but like it's one big circle where they just kind of rotate from one to the next, and then it just goes in a circle for them. Yeah, that's probably how they're going to build some of these offices for them.

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Speaker 4
Neil Peart, the drummer of Pearl jam, he has he's famous for having a drum kit that wraps all the way around.

00:21:15:23 - 00:21:16:13
Speaker 1
Oh my gosh.

00:21:16:14 - 00:21:18:12
Speaker 4
So it's like, that was like 20 Mac mini.

00:21:18:12 - 00:21:18:18
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:21:18:19 - 00:21:21:10
Speaker 4
You're just over here.

00:21:21:11 - 00:21:30:12
Speaker 1
Dude. And oh my gosh, probably, probably gonna get so good that like, they can split the the cortex of their brain on the left and right sides and just be like coding twice at the same time.

00:21:30:13 - 00:21:42:14
Speaker 4
So this is where we're at. Like if you want to go like where are the upper limits? Who are the most sophisticated users of this? The power users. What are they doing? The answer is they're doing so much that sleep is now something that they're getting rid of.

00:21:42:16 - 00:21:43:04
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:21:43:06 - 00:21:46:14
Speaker 4
You know, we'll see how that catches up to them metabolically. Big sleep over here.

00:21:46:15 - 00:21:46:19
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:21:46:20 - 00:22:11:03
Speaker 4
But the bottom line is is like the train is going. Yeah. And you're not ready for how much it's changing. It's okay. Nobody is right. Even Elon's not. He talks about this all the time. He's like I'm very candid about calling it a supersonic sunamganj in that it is ten miles wide, almost a mile tall. It is all encompassing and it's flying at us at supersonic speed.

00:22:11:05 - 00:22:18:19
Speaker 4
Yeah. The world that we're about to live in right now do, I opine. And people are like, oh my gosh, like I missed the 90s. I mean, the 2000 are such a blessed era.

00:22:18:23 - 00:22:20:06
Speaker 1
I missed 2025.

00:22:20:07 - 00:22:35:11
Speaker 4
Yeah, literally bro, it's that we will literally be saying, man, you remember in 2025 when the computer wouldn't, like wake you up and just be like, hey, this is what's going on. Remember when you didn't have to wake up and your Alexa, your phone is like, we're going to miss this time?

00:22:35:13 - 00:22:38:19
Speaker 1
Well, what's the what's you know, Moore's law is exponential.

00:22:38:19 - 00:22:39:12
Speaker 4
Six seven.

00:22:39:14 - 00:22:56:22
Speaker 1
So like, it's just this like a chart that just shows that it's like the estimation of how long it takes to double all human knowledge. And so it used to take like 25 years. Then it went to 12 years. And then it went to like five years. And pretty much like it's just shown this progressive speed that pretty much I think the study was done a couple of years ago.

00:22:56:23 - 00:23:04:12
Speaker 1
It was it used to be like every 12 months. Now all human knowledge is doubling. Now it's every 12 hours.

00:23:04:14 - 00:23:05:22
Speaker 4
I'm not comfortable with that.

00:23:06:02 - 00:23:26:06
Speaker 1
So like legit the amount of material and information that's out there like it's it's getting faster and faster. And yes, people are not realizing that. And that's going to be really interesting because if we say it's a tsunami, like what does that actually mean? Like, how is that going to manifest in my reality? Right? Because everyone says every politician that tries to to come into office is like day one, we're going to start making changes and everything.

00:23:26:06 - 00:23:32:13
Speaker 1
And I'm like, I don't know, bro. My gas prices are pretty high right now. You know, the day one stuff. You know what's going on with that?

00:23:32:14 - 00:23:34:04
Speaker 4
I have a Tesla. What are you talking about?

00:23:34:05 - 00:23:41:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. Well, look, we also have a internal combustion engine in our household, okay? Yeah.

00:23:42:00 - 00:23:47:17
Speaker 4
We also have a bug out vehicle, because if everything goes sideways, I can't hope. I need.

00:23:47:17 - 00:24:02:11
Speaker 1
Something with gas. I'll be siphoning the gas when the MP goes off. Have you seen a Paradise? The TV show my wife has. Okay, so in Paradise, I'm gonna spoil a partial thing for you. Or at least I'll say the concept and whatever. Doesn't the president get killed in, like, the first episode? Yeah, but that's not like a surprise.

00:24:02:11 - 00:24:29:03
Speaker 1
That's not a problem. Okay? The the. You know how, like, everyone says, like the football, like the, the president has, it's like launch nukes. Apparently there was instead of just like a nuclear launch. They also had a similar one that was an EMP. Or it's like, look, we have it all. We can shut all of the tech down, but it's going to reset humanity by 50 years because we don't even have electricity anymore because we can't even generate it if the EMP goes off.

00:24:29:05 - 00:24:47:03
Speaker 1
But if all hell is about a break loose on the world and everyone's about a launch nukes at each other, we could shut down all tech, but we're going to have a reset. Yeah, and that's actually a really interesting theory. I was like, hold up, they have to have something like that going, yeah, like there's no shot that like a TV show is like, oh, this would be a good idea.

00:24:47:04 - 00:25:03:17
Speaker 1
Would you do it? Like government's watching that and they're like, Mr. President, I have a new idea for you. Yeah, like they probably already have it. Ten different conditions. But imagine that. It's like the tsunami that Elon says comes in, and all of a sudden all this AI is taken over and let's say it goes bad. It's like EMP and we are reset to the stone ages again and we have to figure it out.

00:25:03:19 - 00:25:21:03
Speaker 1
How crazy would that be? It's the reason I get ads all the time, and it's like if the grid goes down, what are you going to do? How are you going to know how to, you know, clean water? It's like by my book. And by the way, I bought it because it was a compelling argument, like, I'm going to go to YouTube if there's no internet, I have no YouTube.

00:25:21:03 - 00:25:37:00
Speaker 1
And now I don't know how to sterilize water. What am I going to do at night for my dopamine release? Yeah, I'm going to read a book. Gross to do that. Well that's interesting. We just I don't know, like I don't I look, I'm not like a thought leader person in the AI space of just like I know where things.

00:25:37:00 - 00:25:52:00
Speaker 1
Right. I'm not like to you. Okay. But what I will say is that I always have known that humanity has always had a way of figuring out how to make it work. Yeah, the market finds a way like the market finds a way. But like we as as the human race, have always found a way to make something work.

00:25:52:01 - 00:26:10:06
Speaker 1
And so one way or another, like we don't need a doomsday, that everything's going to be crazy. Elon Musk is the tsunami is coming. It's like, look, just keep your job at Home Depot because the tsunami is probably that you can just pay with your wrist, you know, or like you can use AI to order your groceries, and it just knows what you want every time.

00:26:10:06 - 00:26:24:20
Speaker 1
And it just does it for you. So like, will we see job loss in the market? Sure. But at the same time, what are the new opportunities that might be coming? Some are theorizing this universal basic income. It's like you're not even gonna need to work and stuff. But we were created for work. Like we're going to want to do something.

00:26:24:21 - 00:26:41:13
Speaker 1
We're not gonna want to sit down and turn into Wall-E characters. We're all on our fat, you know, floating chairs and just have screens on us the whole time. You seem Wall-E. Yeah. No, I would totally hate that outcome with a floating chair and a little soda. I'm like, yeah, I would hate that. I would like it. I'd like a chair that flies.

00:26:41:13 - 00:26:59:15
Speaker 1
I was promised hover cars. I was promised a lot I have. I'm just an imagining. Like a 400 pound Brady. I'm not saying I'll be giant. I would move you. I would move around, I just. But that's the whole point. Is they literally the chair that flies. I was just promised flying stuff at this point. Yeah, but like, flying stuff doesn't mean has to be a chair that you sit in 24 over seven.

00:26:59:16 - 00:27:14:02
Speaker 1
If I can make things fly, then the chair should also be able to fly by. So I mean it's not if I got a hoverboard it's not hard to strap that onto a La-Z-Boy. It's all I'm saying. I mean, you could have floating chairs instead for your podcast as hell if the the mix could be floating too, bro.

00:27:14:03 - 00:27:42:16
Speaker 1
I also have found that there is a real honest conversation to be had around how AI is already changing people that are using it. I talked to somebody yesterday. She's, an m where she's not an M.D. she was studying to be an MD and now she's a natural path. Just brilliant mind. And she related to this study, which was they they had three different groups, three different cohorts, and they wanted to test how AI was impacting their cognition or their inventive ability to write.

00:27:42:18 - 00:27:58:23
Speaker 1
So group number one, they said, hey, I want you to work with AI, and I want you to write a paper. They turn to group number two and said, hey, I want you to use Google the links, like the things that we did in college and then research and write out this paper. And then to the third group, they said, hey, no Google, no nothing, write this paper and see how can you go to a library?

00:27:59:00 - 00:28:01:00
Speaker 1
Could they do it? They could go, yeah. Books.

00:28:01:02 - 00:28:02:03
Speaker 5
The encyclopedia.

00:28:02:04 - 00:28:24:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Dewey Decimal system. It's your friend. Let's call back to Arthur. We're really old. Listen, they go to the first group, and of course, they wrote the paper. No problem, because AI did it. Yeah, and then what they tested afterward was. Okay, can you name one sentence that you wrote? Yeah. There was not a single person in the first cohort that knew a single sentence in the paper that had just been written.

00:28:24:07 - 00:28:41:10
Speaker 1
They went to the second group and they were able to cite one sentence, and then the third, the third group, exponentially more. So they were able to cite what it is that they had just written. So then they went to back to that first group, the AI dependent group, and they took the AI away and they said, okay, champ, go ahead and write a paper and draw dog it.

00:28:41:11 - 00:29:02:05
Speaker 1
Not only could they not do it, they couldn't keep themselves focused. They started getting up and doing other stuff, like they just couldn't function in the task of sit down and write the paper. So much of their cognition, their short term and long term memory has now been kind of abdicated because this is how the brain works. If you are, if you don't use it, you lose it.

00:29:02:06 - 00:29:25:20
Speaker 1
Yep. You know. Yep. And so it's like we're going to see that played out at scale. So while we'll have this astonishing intelligence that we can all tap into at any time. Yep. It's going to change us. Like what's a good example? I don't know anybody's phone numbers. I have a contact book for that. Yeah, I don't know as many facts and details as maybe I once did because I could have googled that.

00:29:25:23 - 00:29:42:22
Speaker 1
And so it's like this exponential thing of our brain prioritizing energy saving functions and going, if there's a fast track to that, that becomes the new neural pathways, that becomes the path of least resistance, and the path of least resistance eventually becomes the highway. Yeah. And so those are played out at scale. That's really what can happen. And people are already dumb as it is.

00:29:42:22 - 00:29:59:05
Speaker 1
Like a lot of people, I'm shocked they can put pants on. And so if AI becomes not only this like fringe thing that only, you know, one out of ten people are using, but it's like, no, no, no, it's as ubiquitous as the internet. In fact, it's even more ubiquitous. Yep. Where does that leave people, bro? Yeah, dude.

00:29:59:06 - 00:30:07:13
Speaker 5
Oh my gosh. I mean, for starters, like the people who are like really good at, like, AI and coding these vampires, they came from a background of doing coding manually.

00:30:07:13 - 00:30:08:06
Speaker 1
Exactly.

00:30:08:10 - 00:30:19:08
Speaker 5
So like the next person is coming up and trying to do it, it's like, dude, I can vibe code and it's like, you can't code. You can vibe code, meaning that you could type in a prompt into something and then codes it for you and you're like, I could I could build a website, right? I could build a product right now.

00:30:19:08 - 00:30:33:23
Speaker 5
And it's like you had no idea how to do it. So like there will be this like over, you know, few decades we're going to see. Oh, wait, we are really, really dumb. And the people who actually did the manual work that understand it, they're going to continue to get older. And then there will be like this huge.

00:30:34:00 - 00:30:55:09
Speaker 5
I mean, look, the theory might be that like AI will do it anyways for you. It doesn't matter. But the fact is, is even if the job can get done, we are a dumber human race because of it. So I say it all the time. I say the AI is making us dumber. Like Stanford came out with a study about that about a year ago, said the exact same thing, and it was like 83% of the people that that use AI were a lot dumber, like they literally did IQ tests on them.

00:30:55:14 - 00:31:10:18
Speaker 5
And so I actually tell this to my team all the time. I say, I want you to use AI, but I actually want you to use your brain and manual labor way more than that. I understand it's sexy for us to try and automate as much as possible, but like, you have to know what's good in the first place.

00:31:10:18 - 00:31:29:06
Speaker 5
I did a I did a we did trainings every single day. Did a training last week or said, all right, I'm going to put this transcript in for one of these videos, and I want you to and I'm starting this to, to the Claude, to the AI. I wanted to create for me five bad hooks, like bad text based hooks, like the video text hooks and then good text hooks and then great.

00:31:29:08 - 00:31:59:16
Speaker 5
So I've created three segments. So I want you to give me bad examples, give me good. But they give me great examples because it's all marginal. You want to know what happened. All of the bad ones were my favorite. All of the good ones and the great ones sucked. They were awful and I went through for an hour with the team and I explained literally by pulling in like studies, psychology, human behavioral, like copywriting, principle, all of these things to basically prove why these other text based hooks that it came up with that were great sucked.

00:31:59:18 - 00:32:17:16
Speaker 5
And so that was my point is, I said, if you rely on the AI, and even with a good prompt, you still need to know what is good or not. So for starters, that demonstrated to my team, you don't know the skill set enough, because I had to come in here and basically say AI sucked at this. AI was not good enough.

00:32:17:16 - 00:32:30:09
Speaker 5
And even if I prompted it better and I protocol it, which I will do and teach, you still have to know how to do the skill set. So I'll give you another example of how I'm doing this real time for me right now, because you have to do sometimes the unskilled things if you want to learn the skill sets.

00:32:30:13 - 00:33:00:12
Speaker 5
So for me, I'm doing ads now, I'm starting to run ads for the business. And so part of that process is writing intentional scripts that actually model, after all, of the different copywriting principles of how to actually advertise yourself and get someone interested in your offer. I could have AI write it so quick for me. In fact, my team that supports me on this that I've paid a lot of money to give me those things basically just for free, have protocols and custom GPT and all these things that could basically do it for me, but I don't want to use it.

00:33:00:14 - 00:33:06:21
Speaker 5
I have been manually writing every. I spent an hour and a half writing a script the other morning for my my ads.

00:33:06:22 - 00:33:09:19
Speaker 1
Did you do it by candlelight with an ink quill and a.

00:33:09:21 - 00:33:11:10
Speaker 5
I did, and I had Mozart in the back.

00:33:11:11 - 00:33:12:21
Speaker 1
No parchment on the table.

00:33:12:22 - 00:33:30:13
Speaker 5
Has to be at at least a 144 hits in order for me to focus. Yes, yes, it's all about synergy. So I legit wrote it myself for an hour and a half and into my head like, you know, the old me would have been like, this is so unsustainable. This is not like I could do this so much faster for me.

00:33:30:17 - 00:33:45:10
Speaker 5
But part of me is like, I love this. I'm learning the actual skill set of how to write a killer ad that is going to get anybody to want to click on what we have to offer. And so I'm manually trying to learn this skill set. So I'm entering a new vertical myself. I've already kind of known some of these things and I apply to organic.

00:33:45:12 - 00:34:06:06
Speaker 5
But now I'm going after the paid advertising side which is a different beast. But now me getting into that space, I am going back to the to gave man stage. I am going back to I have to learn this and I want to learn it from scratch. I'm reading the books, I'm writing the manual scripts. I'm watching some videos to learn, but I refuse to let AI go and do it for me because I want that skill set.

00:34:06:10 - 00:34:24:01
Speaker 5
Once it's up here, I can't lose it. I get it like, sure, you might kind of forget about some things over time, but I still own that skill set in my brain, and that makes me so much more dangerous to the market for things that I could offer and things that I could do for my business. So I am much more of a fan of not using AI than using AI.

00:34:24:05 - 00:34:34:05
Speaker 5
When you actually want to get better at skills, because you have to learn manually how to do these things before you're just going to have a I do it all for you. Who the fuck is this guy?

00:34:34:09 - 00:34:54:10
Speaker 1
Fair question. Sorry comment section, but I'm not an industry plant and I'm not CIA. I directed the video production for Mr. Beast, where my work has about 10 billion views, and now my team and I produce shows just like this for founders all over the country. Listen, if you're a founder and you've built a real business, you are the best kept secret in your industry.

00:34:54:10 - 00:35:11:11
Speaker 1
So if you're done with being invisible outside of your company, book a call with us on the link below. My team and I will show you exactly how a show like this could change everything for you and your business. All right, back to the show. I got to tell you, you sound like a heretic. Yeah.

00:35:11:13 - 00:35:12:02
Speaker 5
Really?

00:35:12:03 - 00:35:13:14
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, a little bit of a heretic.

00:35:13:15 - 00:35:16:06
Speaker 5
Well, I'm a rebel. What can I say?

00:35:16:07 - 00:35:36:19
Speaker 1
Yeah. Burn him at the stake. That's actually phenomenal advice, dude. If I feel like if I was raised, you and I were raised where it's like, come home when the street lights turn on, take your bike out to the park. It's not like bikes or parks evaporated, but for the most part, like, that's just not what people do because there's probably some, like creep in a trench coat watching the kids of the park down, like, just say it's like, come into my van.

00:35:36:19 - 00:35:37:16
Speaker 1
I got free Wi-Fi.

00:35:37:17 - 00:35:59:07
Speaker 5
Like all challenges that I did just for a second, because it's the dumbest crap ever that I see that people think that our world is more dangerous than it was like 30 years ago. All of the studies show that, like all kidnapings are down. All domestic violence when it comes to like kids and adults is down. Like every statistics shows that we are in a healthier state today than it was 30 years ago, but it's what just gets mainstream attention.

00:35:59:12 - 00:36:09:07
Speaker 5
And movies and TV shows that have frightened people from like actually going out and letting the kids ride their bike down the street, like it's like it's a myth.

00:36:09:07 - 00:36:28:09
Speaker 1
I have a hard time with that. I don't know if I agree with that, bro. We have 20 million people that came into this country undocumented, with totally different intentions, who are not American, who have no interest in integrating, in caring about what we do. And they don't like us, you know, and it's the outside looking in. You didn't get invited to the party, but now you're here.

00:36:28:12 - 00:36:37:06
Speaker 5
Those will be maybe new statistics because all that has happened in the last five years. But like a lot of the studies I was looking at that were like 2020 related, like for this, like this new decade.

00:36:37:09 - 00:36:39:19
Speaker 1
I don't think anything pre-COVID counts.

00:36:39:21 - 00:36:46:08
Speaker 5
I mean, you might be right. Look, I'm not going to disagree that there's 20 million illegal immigrants in the country and they're like all over the place. Yeah.

00:36:46:10 - 00:37:04:04
Speaker 1
But the military age from Iran and other less than friendly towards the US countries, whatever, whatever. I find the advice to I don't want to call the iPad generation. I find that it's very dismissive. But but like legitimately dude, like you and I remember the dial up sound.

00:37:04:06 - 00:37:04:17
Speaker 5
Yeah.

00:37:04:18 - 00:37:18:12
Speaker 1
We came out where it was like the computer was this kind of like, cool thing over there. And oh my gosh, you have a computer in your house? Like, that's crazy, man. I'm going to go, hey guys, come over to my house. We have a computer. I distinctly remember that being a reality.

00:37:18:15 - 00:37:19:07
Speaker 5
Yeah.

00:37:19:09 - 00:37:35:11
Speaker 1
And then you would get off the computer and you were on the computer for an hour. You were on a screen for an hour. That's crazy. What? What is there to do in there? Yeah, there's enough to do. I can almost spend two hours on my computer now. For the generation that was raised where there was nothing but computers, there was nothing but connectivity.

00:37:35:11 - 00:37:36:20
Speaker 1
There was nothing but fast moving.

00:37:36:23 - 00:37:37:20
Speaker 5
Out of touch grass.

00:37:37:22 - 00:37:44:05
Speaker 1
You don't know how to touch grass. Which is again, I'm not. It's not trying to be, like, condescending. It's just it's an it's an objective observation.

00:37:44:05 - 00:37:46:22
Speaker 5
There's a lot of studies that back a lot of this behavior.

00:37:47:01 - 00:38:07:09
Speaker 1
So if the advice and it's actually really good which is you need to unplug obviously, but focus on the really uncomfortable things that make literally make your skin crawl. Like you need to open up a physical book, read three chapters and grab a real piece of paper and try and write. Yeah, there's something so good about that for your brain.

00:38:07:10 - 00:38:25:13
Speaker 5
Write and write as much as you can and do not use AI. Like I got that advice. I got that advice. Not personally, but from a post from Danko. And Danko is an incredible personal brand guy that does really well successfully just teaching people how to write and think. But that was something I saw recently and I was like, dude, that is so true.

00:38:25:14 - 00:38:41:16
Speaker 5
Like, it is just you as much as you can, like stay away from the technology because it will make you dumber. Like, I told this to my team the other day because he was like, dude, this is going all this stuff and we're going to get you out of this and this, and then you're gonna have all this time freed up and like, we can even get a sales team in here, and you're gonna do all that.

00:38:41:16 - 00:38:53:21
Speaker 5
I was just like, he's like, you'd be sipping on my ties in Miami and hanging out, and I was like, you know, for a fact that's not what I would do. But I said, you know what I would do if I had much more time back? He's like, I don't know.

00:38:53:23 - 00:38:55:07
Speaker 1
I'd read.

00:38:55:09 - 00:39:15:01
Speaker 5
I'd read a lot because, you know, where rich people hide their secrets in places that poor people won't look books. And there is so much gold out there that I have not been able to touch that. All I want to do is just read. I have I have a theory. I'll give you a theory that I have, and I maybe I'm coining this.

00:39:15:01 - 00:39:20:22
Speaker 5
Maybe this is something that makes me a Nobel Prize of some sort. I call it the law of dilution.

00:39:20:23 - 00:39:21:17
Speaker 1
As one does.

00:39:21:18 - 00:39:40:16
Speaker 5
Okay, so there's a pyramid of learning that they have out there. It's like this giant diagram, and you guys will maybe put it on the screen if you want. But it basically shows a combination of active learning and passive learning. And all of this just basically shows scientifically how much information we can remember based off of how we learned about it.

00:39:40:18 - 00:40:03:09
Speaker 5
And at the very bottom of the list you have reading and you have like a visual. So like watching both of those and an audible. So like listening are about 10 to 20% of information. So when you got a lecture in college if did you go to college. Yeah. Yeah. So when you went to college like in lectures like, well, look like I barely looked at you.

00:40:03:09 - 00:40:07:10
Speaker 5
You didn't go to college clearly, I don't know. You worked for Mr. Beast, bro. I don't know if Miss Beast is like walking.

00:40:07:13 - 00:40:12:00
Speaker 1
Young and I say swear words. I'm edgy. Whoa I know. Whoa. Yeah.

00:40:12:03 - 00:40:17:08
Speaker 5
I don't know if I can be seen around you. That's fine. I got my my my PR team is freaking out right now. You said.

00:40:17:12 - 00:40:18:20
Speaker 1
She is five minutes into this.

00:40:18:20 - 00:40:19:10
Speaker 5
Now that you.

00:40:19:12 - 00:40:41:00
Speaker 1
Were clocked and you got the center shirt on. Do you like this? It's awesome. Hey, this is my shout out to my boy Nick. Shirley. Personal security detail. And they're they're coolest people on the planet. Random Tatum. Love that guy. That's sick. So 1,020% is all done like in lectures. So you get on stage or like a sermon at a church, like you're going to remember about 10% of that, if that.

00:40:41:02 - 00:40:57:22
Speaker 1
Okay. That's being generous with how our brains are getting mushed today from social media and technology to where, like I remember, less and less. So you're saying someone would learn something and retain about 10%? Yeah. Like on average, if you're reading or listening, if you're paying attention actively and intentionally, you're going to remember about 10% of the information, okay, okay.

00:40:57:23 - 00:41:19:12
Speaker 1
You go up that list into the active learning where you're doing the thing, someone is demonstrating it for you, or you have to teach it to other people. You remember up to 70 to 90% of that information, right? So point is, is that like on this diagram, the more and more it is reduced to like the written information, you remember less and less of it.

00:41:19:12 - 00:41:31:15
Speaker 1
Now, how often in school. Did you remember going and reading a Spark Notes I was homeschooled oh.

00:41:31:17 - 00:41:56:21
Speaker 1
I know what SparkNotes. So you know what SparkNotes is. Okay, so like there's SparkNotes, there's a bunch of other ones where babies is like, if you didn't read the book, I want to read this summary. Now, what is a summary? It's about 10% of the whole thing. So my theory is that as we are progressively getting summaries or we're getting the information faster and more efficiently to ourselves, that that 10%, we are a 10% of the 10% of the 100%.

00:41:56:21 - 00:42:14:14
Speaker 1
So you're getting about 1%. And it might be worse and worse if it's if it's more like a smaller summary and it's like not even 10% of it, it's like 1%. So basically like for, for example, so people can like conceptualize this. Imagine that. I wanted to read a book about copywriting, which is like the the art of being able to like, write things that persuade people to buy or do something.

00:42:14:15 - 00:42:30:03
Speaker 1
Okay. Very, very, very, very, very high leverage skill set to learn. If there's anything someone walks out of here with, like, what do I do with my life? Go study copywriting. Yeah, I know people that make millions a year literally just on residuals from doing copywriting. But let's say I wanted to read a book on it and I go, I don't have time.

00:42:30:04 - 00:42:52:12
Speaker 1
I'm so busy. Oh, I just wish I had a summary of it. Hey, look, there's this app that can do like a summary of it for you. Cool. So now I paid for the subscription and I get the 10% of that book. Here's the problem. Whoever is choosing what information to share, I'm getting that 10%. I'm not getting the 10% I would care to remember from reading the book myself, knowing what might apply to me and my business in my life.

00:42:52:17 - 00:43:11:11
Speaker 1
So I'm getting someone else's 10% and that I might remember 10% of that. Which means I'm getting 1% of probably the wrong information from the original source. Do you reasonably think that you could actually become good at a skill when you are getting point 1%, basically of the original information.

00:43:11:12 - 00:43:13:00
Speaker 6
The distillation of the distillery?

00:43:13:01 - 00:43:32:11
Speaker 1
So it's the law of dilution. So like as it goes through each stage of summary or in this place take AI and it removes the need for you to learn the original information. Your brain doesn't actually care to remember that information at that level, and it's not giving you the OG sources. So for me, I don't want AI to go do more of my stuff.

00:43:32:11 - 00:43:47:05
Speaker 1
For me. I don't want AI to even teach me about these books. In fact, I freaking hate watching videos where people go. I read this book so you don't have to. Here's the summary. And I'm like, if you're watching those videos, you're a lazy ass, and I hope you realize that you didn't remember any of that video still.

00:43:47:07 - 00:44:05:12
Speaker 1
But if you went in, read $100 million offers from Alex or Mozzie, you remember a lot more from it. Now, you can amplify how much some remembers. If you're a good writer and you tell stories instead of just facts and statistics because no one remembers that. You use pictures and analogies and anagrams and acronyms and all these other things that help you remember more of that information.

00:44:05:13 - 00:44:19:20
Speaker 1
So like, if you're a great teacher, you can help somebody remember so much more. And so go for those books. Go from those people to learn from, and you'll retain more of that information. So for me, I would rather if I freed up all my time again, like if I had to start from zero, I would just go read books, dude.

00:44:19:22 - 00:44:30:05
Speaker 1
And I would get books that I'm interested in that relate to skills that I know I could monetize one way or another, either for a company or for my own business, and I would actually get good at that skill set.

00:44:30:08 - 00:45:00:09
Speaker 6
It's so funny that there's nothing more satisfying than learning. But we are raised in a in a system in this pipeline stemming from the Rockefeller institution and how they wanted to co-opt education to where you principally resent learning as a child. There's nothing worse than strapping yourself down to this crappy ass vinyl chair and being forced to kind of remember these facts from an unenthusiastic teacher, and then you have to regurgitate it on a test to prove whether or not you're competent so that you're better placed in a job getting these.

00:45:00:11 - 00:45:21:19
Speaker 6
The whole thing is so destructive towards the the art that is learning, because the bottom line is, is the amount of things that you do know is vast, outweighed by the amount of things that you don't know. There is all the things. And then really, there is this small little circle of factoids in like realities and intuitions that you have.

00:45:21:23 - 00:45:36:12
Speaker 6
And it is this big, and everything that you don't know is out there. And the second you start learning it, you go, wow, yeah, I know so little. One of the most humbling but exciting things is getting to the other side of a discovery and going, I know so little. Yeah. And it's like, I think that is the bell curve of like experience.

00:45:36:15 - 00:45:38:15
Speaker 6
Yeah. It's like you, you're like convinced that like, oh.

00:45:38:21 - 00:45:50:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's it's called what's, what's something called. It's not counting the dissonance is it. It's this idea that like you go through phases where you think you know everything, and then once you realize that you know nothing, it's like that's your level of maturity. It's like a whole process.

00:45:50:05 - 00:45:51:15
Speaker 6
I know that the Dunning-Kruger effect.

00:45:51:16 - 00:45:53:23
Speaker 1
That's a that Dunning-Kruger effect, that's what I'm thinking of.

00:45:54:00 - 00:46:10:13
Speaker 6
Yeah. And that bias, that skewed bias where you're like, oh, well, I understand this. Like and you see it manifest. I went through it as a teenager and as a young adults like, oh man, like I'm figuring all this stuff out. And then you encountered the first place where, you know, absolute fuck all and you're like, oh, wait a minute, you know?

00:46:10:13 - 00:46:32:06
Speaker 6
And I run into that. I'm like, wait, what is the tax code? Wait, how do lawyer why is there such a massive, litigious society in the United States? Oh, because there's like slip strips and there's a whole segment of the population that doesn't work, and their whole bit is going into places and doing a slip trip or a fall, and then they sue, and then they settle, and then they make money and then they lather, rinse and repeat.

00:46:32:06 - 00:46:44:16
Speaker 6
Imagine discovering that for the first time. It's like there are so many things that you don't know. There are predators hiding in the bushes. There are beautiful sonnets that you've never listened to. There's all of this wisdom and knowledge and it's like, and you don't like learning?

00:46:44:20 - 00:47:03:02
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. You want to hear a really sad statistic and study? No. Okay. So moving on. Tell me it tell me that. Anyway. So back in like the 1960s when we were trying to go to the moon, we were like at war with Russia, right? And we were trying to figure out how to pull the best talent in NASA.

00:47:03:04 - 00:47:20:11
Speaker 1
They pulled in a guy can't remember the guy's name to do a study, to basically try to identify talent that was available and pull people in. So they basically did a study on identifying creative genius. And so what they did is they they measured creative genius on this scale of being able to think creatively. And they had different questions.

00:47:20:17 - 00:47:47:04
Speaker 1
And what they found is that, like a five year old had a 95% creative genius. But as they progressed in age from a five year old to a ten year old, to a 15 year old to a 20 year old all the way to like a 25 year old. The numbers showed that by the time someone went through the school system, by the end, when they became 25 years old, less than 3% of all people had creative genius.

00:47:47:06 - 00:48:07:03
Speaker 1
So as a kid, we asked questions all the time. We're very curious and we're always trying to learn about the world. We ask questions. We are a naturally evolving race. We are always trying to learn more things. But when you get put into a school system that says sit in line. This is the answer. If it's not that answer, then this is, this is then you're wrong.

00:48:07:06 - 00:48:25:08
Speaker 1
It's not. You can't get creative with how to solve this a different way. They teach you black and white. This is how it is in stone, and they literally kill the creativity out of you until you become an adult. Now, I'm not going to go consumer conspiracy theory about whether or not that was actively planned since the beginning of time, when they or beginning of when they did this.

00:48:25:10 - 00:48:27:16
Speaker 1
But there's pretty good evidence to show for it.

00:48:27:19 - 00:48:29:06
Speaker 6
You can go that way. And by the way, it's true.

00:48:29:07 - 00:48:45:03
Speaker 1
Look, I mean, like it was it was designed for like the Industrial Revolution. It was designed for factory workers. It was designed to literally just do what they told you to do and don't question anything. But at the same time, this idea of, like, you don't like learning, it's because you never got to focus on the things that you were interested in and actually wanted to learn more about.

00:48:45:05 - 00:49:01:22
Speaker 1
And then even for those things they told you, this is how it is and you can't think creatively outside of it. And by the time they become as adults, they become an adult. They then look at themselves and they go, I wish I was creative. It's like if I showed you your five year old you, you would be blown away with how creative you were.

00:49:01:23 - 00:49:25:09
Speaker 1
And so now a days, we have not just an intellectual issue where people are getting dumber, but they're also not as creative. So we're not finding unique solutions for things. I think we've talked a little bit about, like Space and Elon a little bit, but one of the things I do appreciate about him is he questions every truth when they say, like, hey, we can't, we can't do like this giant casket to like, literally make the frame of this, this car.

00:49:25:09 - 00:49:36:07
Speaker 1
That's not a thing. They do that for Legos. They don't do this for this. And he goes, cool, I don't care. Go figure out how to do it, because I want to speed up the production of my vehicles. And the only way they can do this, if we get like a giant mold cast that can basically make the frame in one.

00:49:36:12 - 00:49:37:11
Speaker 6
Use the pieces.

00:49:37:13 - 00:49:52:00
Speaker 1
And so they literally had to go hunt down different manufacturers. They'd be like, would you do this for a car? And they're like, dude, we do water bottles like, get out of here. And they went in the way they went. And I'm pretty sure I you don't fact check me, but I'm pretty sure it was Lego as a manufacturer.

00:49:52:00 - 00:50:06:22
Speaker 1
Were some of the guys that were like, well, give this a try. Like, we'll see if we can do it. And he created the first cast mold of a vehicle ever to be created. And now that's what he uses in his production line. And it all stemmed from him saying, I don't care that you were taught your entire life that that's not how it's done.

00:50:06:22 - 00:50:21:07
Speaker 1
It's always done this way. I want you to go figure out a different way to do it. And what does he have now? He has the most successful companies in the entire world. He's the richest man in the entire world. And it's all because he just questioned what he believed he was taught or other people were taught growing up, as this is how it should be.

00:50:21:10 - 00:50:25:07
Speaker 1
And he just had creative solutions. It's all comes down to.

00:50:25:10 - 00:50:44:14
Speaker 6
So then the advice to your Gen Z 21 year old little brother is question everything. But also don't get cynical. Yeah, I love Gen Z. I have worked with them professionally for the last ten years. Mr. Beasts, Gen Z, Tanner, Fox is Gen Z, a bunch of other creators that I collaborated with, we did videos with were all Gen Z, and there's something about them.

00:50:44:14 - 00:51:06:10
Speaker 6
It's like they have the savviness of, you know, a much older person who's lived a lot of lives. They they have street smarts. The one thing that they don't have is enough time on the clock to develop out that wisdom. So they have all of this intellect, they have amazing intuition. But because there's this gap between what they're reading, what they're perceiving, and then also their deep actual wisdom, which just comes with time.

00:51:06:11 - 00:51:21:14
Speaker 6
Wisdom is literally just learned experiences. Yeah. It's like there is this cynicism that they kind of tends to take over a lot of them. And there's a lot of reasons to feel cynical. It's like, hold on, I just graduated. I get ready to go into the workforce. And now not only do all the jobs suck, but apparently robots are going to take them all.

00:51:21:14 - 00:51:40:15
Speaker 6
It's like, what am I supposed to do? So it's like the advice then would be, don't get cynical, but question everything. Stress test and press on everything. If something's been the way that it's been for so long, maybe it just needs your creative mind to come in and fix that problem. Yeah. You know, and there's a bunch of different ways, like there's going to be new industries that emerge.

00:51:40:18 - 00:51:56:23
Speaker 6
Be clever with it. I know a guy who like the entrepreneurial spirit, I think also lives really deeply in Gen Z. I think that they grew up watching a lot of their creators, and they they were able to see, oh, man, you know, like crappy examples, like Logan Paul was making these silly goose videos. And then.

00:51:57:01 - 00:51:58:12
Speaker 1
I was in the Paul gang, bro. Oh, dude, the.

00:51:58:15 - 00:52:15:22
Speaker 6
Gang gang. Yeah, the smashing of the plates. And the bird. Yeah, that was the days, man. That was literally what got me into this whole YouTube world is that. And I remember loving all of that and being like, wow, they're also businessmen. Yeah. And so they're figuring out in real time how to, like, find some novel new angle.

00:52:15:22 - 00:52:32:19
Speaker 6
And like, they're so creative. And I think a lot of Gen Z years, they grew up with their icons not being some crappy canned product that came out at the end of a TV station, because that goes through basically four massive entities. They have their very specific objectives. It's cast for specific as a producer, as a script writer, all this stuff, none of that.

00:52:32:19 - 00:52:34:22
Speaker 6
It's democratized fun.

00:52:35:03 - 00:52:35:12
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:52:35:13 - 00:52:51:02
Speaker 6
Made by real people, not the machine. And so they grew up watching that. And so the upper limits of what could be creative, what could be entertaining, you have the broadest sense of it. The only thing I think they need to reconcile is their cynicism. Yeah, because it's like, dude, you can look at the same thing in two different ways.

00:52:51:03 - 00:53:05:04
Speaker 6
You can look at AI and be terrified and upset, or you can look at it as the most exciting opportunity. You can also look at it as the way to get the smartest you've ever been. You can also look at it as, hey, this will also make you objectively dumber. There's always another way of looking at things, and that's that.

00:53:05:05 - 00:53:09:15
Speaker 6
My advice is like, look, no one has looked at the problem through your eyes. Your eyes might.

00:53:09:15 - 00:53:25:20
Speaker 1
Be the one that cracks the problem, right? So it's like you go into this world going, what do I do? It's like, start looking for a problem that you can solve. Well, that feels like the most canned half assed response. Like, gee, thanks. I also lean into my authenticity. It's like, hey, rocks! Like, what a dumb piece of advice.

00:53:25:21 - 00:53:45:13
Speaker 1
But you're like, it is in that it sounds dumb in the bell curve sense, where I see it over here and it's the dumb guy saying it, and then I land where the majority sits, the peak of the bell curve, which is like, none of that's true. It's all garbage. Everything's sad. And then the other end, the high end of the bell curve, the small percentage is it's all about authenticity and solving a problem.

00:53:45:13 - 00:54:04:07
Speaker 1
And so which is the same thing as the dumb guy saying, but now it's right. Yeah. And I think that is really what it's like. You have something that the world doesn't have and it's you and it's your take. Yeah. And you're going to have a better take. The more books you read. Yeah. The more writing you do, the more conversations you have with people.

00:54:04:09 - 00:54:11:06
Speaker 1
And you can do that in discord. That's fine. Discords fine. You can game. That's fine. But you've got to get into the sunlight, get out in rooms, join a run here.

00:54:11:06 - 00:54:20:02
Speaker 7
Here's here's here's where I'll add to this one. I actually don't know if you know this, but I am Gen Z. So like I was the last year 30. No, I'm 27.

00:54:20:04 - 00:54:42:05
Speaker 1
This fucking guy. So look, I'm Gen Z, so if I'm giving a message to my own generation, like, this is what I'll say, dude, like, more than anything, what has led to helping me be successful in what I'm doing is simply like, I, I didn't let other people tell me what to do, which is the first thing is, if everybody else tells you what to do with your life, you're going to be pretty miserable your entire life.

00:54:42:07 - 00:54:59:08
Speaker 1
And what I did is I went on a very long journey of trying to understand the game of life. I'm trying to understand how it works in one of those in that camp. You have relationships, you have your spirituality, but the other one is like career and marketplace. And for me, with Career marketplace, I had to start figuring out how does this game work?

00:54:59:13 - 00:55:15:04
Speaker 1
How did the rich get rich? How do some people get poor? How do people make 100,000 a year? How do people make $25,000 a year? So I just started asking questions and learning what are the different ways that people tend to make money? Because then you learn about careers like, oh, I can go into AI or you're like, wait, I can start my own business.

00:55:15:04 - 00:55:38:06
Speaker 1
I don't have to work for somebody else. Wait, I could be a creator and do YouTube stuff, honestly. Like when you're young, it's just exploring and understanding, like how the world works. Because most of our life is spent scrolling or playing video games. So where I would actually maybe challenge, I don't think it's like you truly believe it, but like I would say, get off the fucking like, computer, like, stop staring at your damn screen and literally go out and experience life like you spend.

00:55:38:07 - 00:56:01:15
Speaker 1
You can go look at your time on like, how much you spend scrolling on social media and how much time, not just on social media, but watching TV and texting your friends and doing other things online. All of that adds up to where you are spending six hours plus a day. Studies show minimum minimum six hours a day, literally letting your amygdala get hijacked, watching entertainment content that's literally designed to just get you to spend money.

00:56:01:15 - 00:56:21:10
Speaker 1
And then you forget, by the way, you don't even remember any of it exactly. But if you imagine you took the same amount of time every single day, six hours a day, like a full time job almost, and all it was done is just literally learning about the world and understanding how it works. Once you understand it works, then you can make what I would call, which everyone calls an educated decision on what you want to do.

00:56:21:15 - 00:56:43:11
Speaker 1
Because whatever what what does everyone tell you right now? You should go to college. Well, then what happens to get out of college? And they're like, wait, hold up. Now I have all this debt and I didn't get the job. Why didn't someone tell me? There's a lot of people that have been saying, don't go to college because it might not be the option for you, but if you were educated about it because you weren't on your stupid phone, and you weren't just watching social media all day and you literally just went and asked a few people, do you think that college is a good idea for me?

00:56:43:14 - 00:57:00:16
Speaker 1
Then you'd probably come to the conclusion that maybe it's not for me, maybe I should go a different path. And if you get to understanding the game and you can make those decisions, you choose whether I want to be an entrepreneur and take all the risk and build something and solve a big problem in the world, or build a skill set that solves a problem that people have in a company.

00:57:00:17 - 00:57:24:08
Speaker 1
And then you now know which ones pay better than others. It's like, wait, hold up. If I get really good at sales, I hear you can make a ton of money in sales versus, well, I know that could be really good at like a receptionist position. Cool. You'll make like 30 to $40,000 a year at most. Unless, like, you're some hot chick and something where they're going to pay you 80 because they just want you for your looks like majority of the time, as long as you're just aware.

00:57:24:09 - 00:57:42:22
Speaker 1
Oh, I know how much you make. Now, why didn't I know that before? My wife told me this kind of a side note, but like my wife, she had no idea because no one ever told her that you could pay for college while you're in college. Because that's what I did. I had a job and I paid for my loan while I was in college, so I came out debt free.

00:57:42:23 - 00:58:03:05
Speaker 1
She was like, no one literally taught me that. And you cannot blame ignorance, because then you go down this rabbit hole of like, well, just because you were educated in a different way and you got these, you had these people in your circle and they taught you like, that's not fair. It's like you have the internet at your disposal, and now you have an AI that you can ask these questions and it literally will give you different responses of like is called a good idea.

00:58:03:05 - 00:58:20:09
Speaker 1
Well, statistically it looks like right now probability of you getting your job out of your thing is like 42%. It's like, oh, I'm not taking those chances, you know what I'm saying? So like, look, my Ted talk rant is just if you want to actually do something with your life, get educated on how the world works. That includes AI.

00:58:20:11 - 00:58:40:16
Speaker 1
And then from there, figure out what you would like to do. Test, experiment. Gary Vee it literally go fail as much as you can. Do all these different things, try it all and figure it out. As I did, I had like four companies that I started in nonprofits and shut everything down. And like, I'm doing what I do now, but I'm still my 20s and I still have, you know, a lot of room to grow, but I at least took the time to, like, understand how the world works.

00:58:40:19 - 00:59:05:12
Speaker 1
And I was like, oh, I learned that I could charge the rich and I could solve a very, very big problem for them. And now I'm closing clients that are paying me five figures a month minimum, and I'm not even in charge of fulfilling for them. And that's one layer of our business that we have now. And it's all because I just took the time to listen to some podcasts like this, listen to some books, read some books, talk to people and just understand how reality is.

00:59:05:13 - 00:59:23:17
Speaker 1
And then you can go, that's the path that I would like to go. And once you understand that, you get a lot more clear with whether or not AI is something to consider in this whole journey, it's going to be your whether you want it or not. But I don't think that matters in the next three years. I think what matters is you figure out what what is your convictions and what do you want to be a part of?

00:59:23:19 - 00:59:25:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, building on that, I feel like you.

00:59:25:05 - 00:59:27:09
Speaker 8
Would then just need to ask better questions.

00:59:27:11 - 00:59:28:01
Speaker 1
Your wife just.

00:59:28:01 - 00:59:45:13
Speaker 8
Didn't ask a good enough question. I know you could do that, but it's like. Anybody could look at that now and just be like, well, yeah, jobs didn't switch off because you were in college. I also did the same thing I did door to door. I graduated debt free. I asked better questions. I go, is there something better I can do than like making 725 an hour Jamba Juice?

00:59:45:19 - 01:00:03:20
Speaker 8
Is there something more that I can do? Not because I knew. Because I asked a good question and then, well, door to door came in there and wait. So can someone teach me sales and persuasion? Oh, yeah. You got to go to Kansas. You can't have fun, right? Okay. Do I want to compromise my fun on the the gamble that I might make more money and develop a skill set?

01:00:03:21 - 01:00:20:01
Speaker 8
I made that gamble, and then it worked. And in four months, I made, like, $35,000 at 21 years old. And I was like, oh, shoot. And then I went into it, did it again, made 55,000, and I'm 22 and I had no skills. And it's like I asked really good questions. And then I made the sacrifice. That was not fun.

01:00:20:03 - 01:00:42:16
Speaker 8
Yeah, all my friends were at the lake. They were doing hikes. I was wearing a polo in a no soliciting neighborhood, bro. Getting the cops called on me and all I was doing was selling pest control, and I was able to charm my way out of it. But if you ask better questions and then you do things that are not objectively fun, you're going to be shocked at the outcome of your life, and it's going to be a lot better than you thought.

01:00:42:18 - 01:00:43:06
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:00:43:10 - 01:00:57:16
Speaker 8
There is this also this bias where it's like, because screens are everywhere, and the way that screens hold your attention is by being entertaining, you can assume that life more or less in some people's, you know, perspective would be like, well, it's not entertaining. I don't want to do it. It's not fun. I don't want to do it.

01:00:57:17 - 01:01:08:08
Speaker 8
It's like, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but a lot of things in life are not fun. Yeah, but they get you the results that you want. Yeah. Yep. And that's.

01:01:08:10 - 01:01:26:02
Speaker 1
I think look, I think the, the notion of follow your passion is bullshit. Really? Yes. Because I'm just naturally passionate about a lot of things. But I have had different passions that come and go, and they die. That's just you go through seasons of life. You might be really passionate about something. Then you have kids and you go, I'm passionate about my kids.

01:01:26:04 - 01:01:57:21
Speaker 1
I thought I was passionate about this, but now I'm passionate about this. But if all you ever did was just follow your passion, you're going to do this like cycle over and over again. Because we are evolving humans and our passions and interests change. How often has your algorithm been the same exact content for like six months. It's constantly evolving because it's throwing new things at you and you're like, I never thought that I'd be this interested in whale content, but my feed right now, my feed right now is just full of killer whales and blue whales and five mystical whale sea creatures that we've only spotted once before.

01:01:57:23 - 01:01:59:08
Speaker 1
That's my algorithm. Don't do this.

01:01:59:12 - 01:02:00:13
Speaker 8
My algorithm. I don't eat whale.

01:02:00:18 - 01:02:05:00
Speaker 1
I'm going to say it so much that the only thing you get is cryptids in Wales. Okay.

01:02:05:02 - 01:02:05:20
Speaker 8
Oracle. Orca.

01:02:06:02 - 01:02:19:13
Speaker 1
So point is, is like, look, we are constantly evolving, but what needs to happen is you need to understand how the world works. And yes, sure, find a passion. But at the same time, if you can find a really good skill set and figure out a lifestyle that you like, then whatever you're passionate about, you do on top.

01:02:19:19 - 01:02:34:23
Speaker 1
I'm very passionate about wanting to change the world in so many ways, but I tried going the passion route first and I was broke for like four years trying to build a business that I was like, but I'm passionate about it. It's like, you don't know entrepreneurship, brother. You don't even know what L sheet is. It's like, what is LTV?

01:02:35:00 - 01:02:40:10
Speaker 1
I don't know, all I know is I make cooled shirts and I make content and like, you know, follow me and buy my stuff.

01:02:40:13 - 01:02:42:02
Speaker 8
But what's your cat? You're like.

01:02:42:04 - 01:02:59:17
Speaker 1
Yeah, literally. So for me, I, I went that route of trying to follow my passion. And then once I had my wake up moment, having my first kid, it was like, stop having passion projects and figure out how to actually provide for your family and build something that is worth keeping. And so now I have a much bigger vision for how I want to do.

01:02:59:17 - 01:03:14:10
Speaker 1
A lot of those are the things that I'm passionate about. But I have to stay discipline and I'm doing the boring. And there are things that I don't want to do in my business right now. I'm trying to make it a sexy as I can, and I still do some pretty cool stuff. But it doesn't matter because there's still stuff that I do not want to do, and it does not matter about my feelings.

01:03:14:14 - 01:03:44:08
Speaker 1
This generation is being raised up in an era where a lot of what the messages are is like follow your heart, follow your passion, lean into your emotions, validate every single emotion that you feel. Affirm whatever your ideology is. And so it's this all consuming, like self gratifying narcissism at the end of the day where you grow up entitled into a world where you think everything revolves around you, then all of a sudden you have an earth shattering moment where all of the things that they told you was actually a lie, and all was, was to actually suppress you from living up to your potential.

01:03:44:10 - 01:03:49:18
Speaker 1
Because then the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and in their position, that's all they care about. They don't care.

01:03:49:18 - 01:03:51:11
Speaker 8
About you. And by the way, here's your tax bill.

01:03:51:13 - 01:03:53:22
Speaker 1
Oh, and by the way, you owe a lot more than you thought.

01:03:53:23 - 01:03:56:00
Speaker 8
Yeah, sorry.

01:03:56:02 - 01:04:09:11
Speaker 1
And if you don't pay it, I'm going to arrest you. But you don't know what it is you're supposed to pay. But we do what we're not telling you. Use this formula. I need you to go and do all the work for us. And then once we pay, we're going to probably tell you that you actually overpaid us.

01:04:09:13 - 01:04:30:11
Speaker 1
And then we'll slightly delay the payback. At the risk of being reductive, because I think the left and the right are two wings of the same bird in the issues that you should look at are the ones that they agree on. Yeah. That being said, I saw this thing yesterday and it said it is so attractive to be left leaning.

01:04:30:13 - 01:04:52:06
Speaker 1
It's the easiest one by far, because if you believe in those things, well then everything that you believe is right. Yeah. Your feelings are always correct. Yeah. Everything should come to you. The government should pay for it. And you shouldn't have to work hard at all, baby girl. Yeah. The other side. Yes, but the other side wants you to work.

01:04:52:07 - 01:05:12:16
Speaker 1
Oh my God, dude. Oh, no. I want to jump out a window. I hate that the other side wants you to work. Yeah. I want you to confront brutal realities. I'm not saying this is not an endorsement for the fall traditions. 100 years old, 100 years old. Build a family. You know, embrace traditionalism and understand that things have worked up until this point because we kind of did things a certain way.

01:05:12:18 - 01:05:29:15
Speaker 1
The family unit is that thing that got you out of bed and made you do the not fun thing. Yeah. And it's like, that's not to say, hey, now you got to go and like, espouse conservative views. A lot of people, myself included, are like socially liberal but fiscally conservative. And everybody goes, yeah, you want to turn Republican, own a business.

01:05:29:17 - 01:05:47:02
Speaker 1
Like they're talking about passing a wealth tax in California. Oh yeah. 5%. And how do they evaluate the five? They go, oh, you've paid taxes on everything. And by the way, when you bought your gun safe and your 27 guns, you paid sales tax on all of that with the wages that were also taxed in the House that you also pay tax on.

01:05:47:03 - 01:06:08:03
Speaker 1
Okay, great. Now that some times gone by, we're going to send an auditor in. We're going to evaluate all of the things that you own. And we're going to say we'd like 5% of that. These are policies that come from a group or a mindset that thinks that you need to endlessly pay for them, that you need to pay for other people, that you need to help people relax and and not have to do hard things.

01:06:08:07 - 01:06:21:15
Speaker 1
It is the bifurcation is people that believe that they are entitled to all sorts of things, which is a really fun belief to buy into, because then that means you don't have to do anything until you find out it was a lie. It was all a masquerade, and you're not where you want to be. And then there's the other side.

01:06:21:15 - 01:06:39:11
Speaker 1
Again, not an endorsement for a political party, but it's a viewpoint which is everything that you've ever wanted is on the other side of hard work. Good questions and some uncomfortable shit. Yeah, but you can have it. Yeah. You're not in Ethiopia. You're in the United States of America. I'm sorry to the Ethiopians, but you're here. You can make it happen.

01:06:39:16 - 01:07:00:10
Speaker 1
So it's like I everybody's going to come to a fork in the road where it's like you can bitch and moan. Yeah. And I promise you, you'll get to the end of your life going, maybe I made the wrong call. Or you can take a gamble, ask good questions, read good books, put your phone down. Yeah. And just find out what it is that life could get you if you did something that was objectively not fun.

01:07:00:11 - 01:07:17:10
Speaker 1
Or I would say miserable knocking doors. Dude was miserable. Yeah, I had to be the car driver, which is a blessing and a curse. And I'll tell you why. Because when you go out to. I was in Portland for two years, I'll say Portland. I grew up in Oregon. You can say where it is. I didn't know, yeah.

01:07:17:13 - 01:07:33:10
Speaker 1
Beaverton, Walton, Lake Oswego. Yeah. My grandparents lived in Lagos. We go, oh, dude, I cried rich down, baby. That's a Scottsdale of Oregon. They're right by the water. And all I had to do was walk up is like, hey, it looks like you made 3 million a year. Do you like spiders? And they're like, no, I don't like spiders.

01:07:33:10 - 01:07:54:12
Speaker 1
Was like, there's one right there, I crushed, I mean, so much money doing this, but it was not fun. Yeah, I again, my friends were at the lake and I was hanging out of the lake while you were on the lake selling my balls off. And then I've had covered in pesticide and I earned it. I was drinking roundup in between houses.

01:07:54:15 - 01:08:11:10
Speaker 1
Yeah. That glyphosate. It's got a little kick to it. No, dude. But, like, I went and did something miserable. Not because I'm so much better than anybody else, but I just went and said, I'll take the gamble and make a sacrifice. Yeah. And dude, this is like basic understanding of how to get what you want in life, but no one's teaching that anymore.

01:08:11:14 - 01:08:34:19
Speaker 1
Yep. No one's espousing this from the mountaintops. Yeah. It's like, dude, you're validated and everything that you feel in the government should get you this, and it's like it's so divorced from reality. Practical atoms. Reality. Yeah. And so I love every single person that I get to work with. My team is so awesome and I push them. I encourage them to be the best version of themselves.

01:08:34:19 - 01:09:07:12
Speaker 1
I tell you, look, I'm not just here to make you a better editor, a better producer, better filmer. I'm here to make you a better person. Not because I'm God or something. I'm just so driven that if you're around it long enough, I think that you're going to see, hey, my trajectory was this. And then I went, oh, what if I just added 10% more effort or 20% more consideration, 30% more care and consideration on the project I'm doing today that on the margins, whether you're scrubbing toilets or writing a symphony, if you obsess over being the best toilet scrubber, you will eventually be the best lawyer, the best astronaut, the best content creator, the

01:09:07:12 - 01:09:28:09
Speaker 1
best business owner. Because the underpinning is I'm choosing to be the best today. And dude, life will get so good if you just decide that. Not because I got to be better than some guy. There's always going to be some South Korean that's better than you at whatever it is you're trying to do. Okay, get over that. It doesn't matter what it is, but if you just choose in your capacity to live better, do the extra rep.

01:09:28:09 - 01:09:45:23
Speaker 1
That kind of like cliche. Yeah. It's right. Yeah. And it works. Have you ever seen, the argument when they say like Michael Jordan or, you know, LeBron James, like who's the greatest basketball player of all time? Yeah. So like keep going. So they go into this argument of like who is actually better. And what they do is they look at statistics.

01:09:45:23 - 01:10:04:12
Speaker 1
They look at shots. They look at rebounds. They look at years, played championship rings, all that stuff. Right. That's that's not apples to apples, that's apples to bananas. That's not the right way to compare them. Would you have to look at is what did they have available for them in the technology of that age. And then how much did they invest into that?

01:10:04:12 - 01:10:20:06
Speaker 1
Because if you put Michael Jordan in our generation today, you would have the LeBron James. It would not be this like, oh, if Michael Jordan and LeBron James got on the court right now and they played it off, who would win? It's like, I think that you could make a stronger argument that Michael Jordan had way more resilience.

01:10:20:07 - 01:10:38:22
Speaker 1
I mean flew game like bro like dude dude have way more resilience than someone that's taking breaks in games because he wants to load management and not have to be on the court as much because he wants to prepare for like the finals. It's like Michael played every game, game six. So the point is, it's like it's actually more about the mindset of that individual had.

01:10:38:22 - 01:10:59:20
Speaker 1
And then in what generation were they born into? Because in any generation that they would be in, they would still be the champion because it came down to the mindset and it was who they are, not because they had different things available for them. Michael Jordan would still be the best if he was today's generation, because of how he thought and saw the opportunities available to him.

01:10:59:21 - 01:11:19:11
Speaker 1
He didn't have. He didn't have what they had. But but point is, is that it's it's it's a mindset that yes, it sounds super cliche and it's really boring, but like, I'm a I'm a success story of it. You're printing. We're pretty I didn't open with this or qualify you. I'll put it in the description you were printing and your 20s.

01:11:19:12 - 01:11:37:08
Speaker 1
You. I thought you were 30 with and with two kids right now. And the third on the way. So, like, that's what I want to talk about next. Yeah. This is what we can end on. What does it mean to have kids? Oh, crazy for being, you know, two kids deep. Third one on the way at 27. Everyone else looks at you like this dude is nuts.

01:11:37:10 - 01:11:51:04
Speaker 1
Yeah. What changed when you became a father? Oh, dude. It's okay. We should have just started with okay to cry. It's okay to cry. I had brave and Grant, the owner of games creating. Within two minutes, I had him crying on my show because I was talking about what it means to be a father, and it's like it draws something out of you.

01:11:51:06 - 01:12:12:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean, Man one you never you've never understood love until you actually have a kid. Like you could say all day long, I got a dog, I got a cat. I'm in a relationship with someone. Like, even even, like, adopting, which I think is absolutely amazing and is absolutely essential in our society. But there's just something different about your blood.

01:12:12:14 - 01:12:37:23
Speaker 1
There's something different about, like, this is you. This is the next. This is your legacy in front of you. And everything in your mind shifts about what is important in life, what is valuable in life and what is not. All of that changes in an instant when you watch the miracle of life come into the world. I was in tears when I watched my kid come into the world because I went, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life, and that's my child.

01:12:38:01 - 01:12:53:15
Speaker 1
And it is crying and I don't know how to shut it up. And they told me not to shake it, so I'm not going to shake it. They didn't give me a rule book for how to, like, go out of here and like, raise a kid, but all I know is I, I have this unexplainable love for that child that you cannot attach to anything else in the world.

01:12:53:17 - 01:13:19:04
Speaker 1
And when you understand that, your entire reality changes, I could make an argument that I think that there are active efforts being made by specific organizations and individuals and political parties that do not want you to have kids because they know what it does to you. They want to destroy the nuclear family. The second I had my son, I first of all, like I cry in every movie now.

01:13:19:06 - 01:13:34:10
Speaker 1
Like I used to think. I used to think like, why is everyone cry about this? Not that big a deal. Now that kid, I'm just like I sobbed in Project Hail Mary. Like you saw it, right? Yeah. I don't know if you had a moment where you cried pretty close, but like, for me, like I was in tears.

01:13:34:12 - 01:14:01:15
Speaker 1
Because when you understand, you just understand the, the, the beauty of life and sacrifice and love and the sanctity of life, like all of those things changed my heart. So the first thing that having a kid did is it just softened me to the world. I was a pretty hard ass before that, and I was like, I thought I was indestructible, I thought that I could do anything, and I thought everyone was a bunch of like, you know, babies for a lack of better, you know, PG words.

01:14:01:17 - 01:14:13:04
Speaker 1
I thought all those things. The second had a kid, I'm like, I'm crying all the time. Like, I literally can't stop crying. It's just. Life is so beautiful. And like, every time I see my child, I'm just like, I literally love you with all of my heart and I am going to explode if I continue to look at you.

01:14:13:05 - 01:14:29:06
Speaker 1
So like, kids do that for you with that. And I think that that by itself, I mean, there's a reason that God designed the world in a way where we are to have kids. That is literally the first commission that we ever had to be fruitful and multiply. And it's because you literally get to see a fraction of the extent of a God's love is for us.

01:14:29:07 - 01:14:54:23
Speaker 1
When you see it through your kids, then now imagine that you would take your kid and put them up on a cross for you and you're like, no, thank you, my kid for that. That douche bag on the corner, no shot. That's my kid. That's not happening. So you you learned that at a fundamental level of just life is actually so much different when you actually have a kid, and then all of a sudden, your external motivations change.

01:14:55:01 - 01:15:17:20
Speaker 1
Like, you might be like, I am. I am going to just make a ton of cash. I want to live a certain lifestyle. I want to travel the world. I want to do this. I want to do that now. All I care about is making sure that they have the best future possible. And so I ended up it took a little bit of time, but I ended up shutting down my businesses because of my kid, and it forced me that if I was going to prioritize family and I was going to spend time with them, that I would have to make smarter decisions for my business.

01:15:17:22 - 01:15:50:13
Speaker 1
And once I started doing that, I actually became very successful. So one thing I'll just say, and here's your little short form clip. I also think it's bullshit that you should wait to have kids to you have money and success. I think that when you are at your lowest, have kids because it will force you to make smarter decisions to get your ass moving, to stop playing video games or watching TV or whatever else is consuming your time because you got you got probably like 18 to 20 hours a day if you're really hustling and grinding, and it'll force you to have to make those decisions that make you successful.

01:15:50:17 - 01:16:05:15
Speaker 1
There's a there's a term for this. It's called Parkinson's law, which is that work fills the time that you give it. You ever did that say BYU like midnight the day before was supposed to get turned in. You were slaving away, selling door to door, and you're like, I forgot to do my essay and you did it the night before.

01:16:05:15 - 01:16:30:00
Speaker 1
Somehow, without ChatGPT back in the day, by the way. Imagine. And so this idea is that however long you give yourself to do something, you will fill that. So now I don't work weekends. I stop working at 5:00 on most days, and I have still built what is now progressively becoming a multi-million dollar company, while still protecting my family and my faith and everything else that matters most to me, because I force myself that I only have a certain amount of time to do it.

01:16:30:00 - 01:16:49:23
Speaker 1
So I'm not going to ramble on a meeting for 2.5 hours. I make it 15 minutes and then I go, we need to make a decision and we move on. And then you start getting really good at just learning how to delegate, find talent, make decisions, focus on better decisions, higher leverage decisions, the same amount of effort that I was slaving away, not having kids and not even being like in a marriage.

01:16:49:23 - 01:17:10:07
Speaker 1
I was like, kind of dating at this time is to sell a $40 hat. And I sucked at it. And now I have two kids and I have a wife, and I have a business where the average ticket that I sell is anywhere from 8 to $12,000 each, and it's the same amount of effort. I got a lunch with a guy yesterday and we just hung out for like two hours talking about it, and he was like, done, sign me up.

01:17:10:07 - 01:17:26:00
Speaker 1
Let's go full year, 12,000 a month, like everything. And that was one conversation and I sold him. And you know how long it took me to break my back to sell a $40 hat? Back in the day, I was like, dude, you're an idiot. You kidding me? Now, I'm not going to bag on e-commerce because conference is great.

01:17:26:00 - 01:17:44:13
Speaker 1
But the point is, is that by having kids, it forced me to make much better decisions and now I am seeing the fruit of that. So like, have kids, have as many as you possibly can and want to have. And I promise life will get better for you. Literally will get so much better for you in every way possible.

01:17:44:15 - 01:18:02:15
Speaker 1
There's your answer. I don't think there's a thing to add to that world class work. Remi Davenport I'm a title is Jeremy, but it's Remy. Is your Instagram handle? The brand is ready. He's Ram dog. Big Ram dog. That should be my username. Should have just changed the big REM dog. Graham dog kind of rules. Big ram dog.

01:18:02:16 - 01:18:20:23
Speaker 1
You know when it comes to big. You know, I know a lot of things. I know so many dogs. Not as many as big as REM. He's the biggest I've seen so far. So huge. You know, when it comes to dogs. Suleimani we should. You dream dog. Not big. Huge. Yeah. Remy Davenport's my username. That's people can find me Kings media.

01:18:20:23 - 01:18:44:10
Speaker 1
You're on a generational run. Absolutely tear. If you're trying to get any kind of literacy around short form, and you're actually want someone that's good at it, this is your guy and guy. And I'll tell you this, like my mission, I'm not going to go like muffled Ted talk for this, but like, our mission is I want to help us reach over a billion people by teaching anyone who has a conviction and message how to communicate it to millions of people.

01:18:44:16 - 01:19:05:08
Speaker 1
That's our mission. So, like King's media is just a first expression. I'm working with rich people who have big solutions and they're very high impact driven, so that's great. But our goal, if you if you want to tag along for this journey because we're building something that is going to probably be a multi nine figure type business and team with hundreds if not thousands of people on it that are all literally focused on just helping the most important messages in the world.

01:19:05:08 - 01:19:26:02
Speaker 1
Get out there. Our mission statement. It's so sick. You're going to love this. We amplify the voices that matter the most to reach the people that need it the most. And that's what we do. I like that you were right. Yeah, yeah, I kind of know you. I also know you're really into learing centers. Learing centers, bro. If if the content thing doesn't work out.

01:19:26:02 - 01:19:43:02
Speaker 1
I hear daycares are just super lucrative. I can make real cash up front. My mom used to do it to the daycare fraud. Yeah, your mom committed massive fraud at scale. I don't know about the fraud side of things, but she. She ran a date for. What are we doing? All right. Your mom's criminal. Hey, man. Great talking to you.

01:19:43:02 - 01:19:59:23
Speaker 1
Appreciate you. Thanks for having me on. Yeah. Shout out to biggest studios. And, is it biggest agency with biggest, biggest studios? Yeah. How do I. The studio is its own entity, just for paperwork reasons. But our business is biggest agency. If you need a studio, look no further. Yeah. All right, guys, peace.